http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2357448098911229950 it will probably be locked, but you still gotta see this. Im no american basher, and i found this by randomly searching on google videos. Propaganda? Maybe. But its still freaking me out.
No worries Chaz, the video isn't anti-American at all IMO. Pretty cool video, makes some strange connections, although not all of them are accurate. The thing with Washington DC being laid out according to Masonic symobls is definetly true. The guy who desgined the city did it like that on purpose to incorporate the imagery into the city plan. Wether than means anything is another matter. The video of the ufo at the WTC, seen that before. Looks fake. The other one looks somewhat like ejecta comming off the tower, however the video is too low res to be sure. Both Bushes being part of the Skull and Bones, definetly true. But once again we don't know enough about that to make any conclusions. They are at worst some kind of international cabal of X files smoking-man types, at best a frat house that does favors for each other after graduation. Bush Sr. and John Kerry are memebers too. The thing about JFK being assasinated according to a specific Masonic plan has to do with several factors, Dallas being at the 33rd parallel, the shape of the plaza, where he was shot exactly, all of it is supposed to be part of some kind of Masonic ritual, the "Killing of the devine king" or something like that. However I can tell you from personal experience that if there is some Masonic connection that it must be some kind of super secret group, becasue all the Masons I've met are merely old men who I served dinner to (I used to be in a Masonic youth group back in the day, washed cars, went camping, went to Disneyland, etc.) However I wouldn't doubt some kind of Masonic connection, of a higher order not revealed to the people who put on the public face of the organization. The symobls in state seals and corporate logos, well that could be one of two things: 1) Evidence of a vast conspiracy to control the world 2) Exploitation of Jungian archtypes to give the appearance of authority. I'm imposed to beleive the latter. There is no doubt the symbolism of certain achtypes is burned into the western mind, the all seeing "eye," (eye on the dollar, eyewitness news, etc.) the pyrimid to imply devine power, etc. I read something about this not too long ago, you can see things like sun power symbols and such all over the place (stop sign, a cop's badge, etc.) But does it really mean all this stuff is linked into a vast conspiracy tracing back to ancient Egypt? I highly doubt it. At most, maybe some kind of cabal formed after WWII that draws on the symbols of the ancient past. One thing though is that bit at the end where it compared the statue of the Roman emperor Agustus to the picture of Baphomet (the image of which in that video was taken from Alister Crowley's tarot deck, if you didn't know.) That particular position goes way, way back to the acient greeks. If you look at it you'll see that the figure is sitiing in such a way that one arm is facing up, the other down. It comes from the statue inside of the Temple of Zeus, which was one of the wonders of the ancient world (and is now destroyed.) The left arm is up in the air as in the original statue it held onto some kind of staff, while the right arm is relaxed (and probably held a lightning bolt.) If you look at the figure's legs you'll see that the left leg is slightly tensed while the right is relaxed. It's a formula that was used in all greek statuary called Contrapposto, or cross balance. It gives the illusion that the statue is in motion (and is thus "alive.") The gestrues Baphomet is doing with his hands has it's own meaning taken from 19th century occultism, one pointing up, the other pointing down, "as above so below." The idea being that man is a microcosom of the universe. "Baphomet" is the modern name given to the northen European pagan "horned god," which is the counterpart of the mother goddess that modern day Wiccans worship. This god was also called the "Holly king," and influenced, of all things, Santa Claus. Kinda makes you think twice about being naughty at Christmas time. This stuff is always interesting, I think some people tend to draw lines between things that have nothing to do with each other though.
that ufo thing looks a bit like a missile being lunched or something. And look closely at the second tower near 6:10. You see the same thing going to the right. It doesnt seem to come from the explosion. Bread and games, as Cesar would say.
I can tell you that the freemasons would not be behind any American domination plans, for sure. At least not from what I know about them. There might be some certain secret elite, though, like the Patriots or something. This does, however, remind me a lot of a certain Simpsons episode...
Exactly what I was thinking! The episode where Homer tries to get into the "cult" that most of the townsmen are in, does get in, but ends up screwing up after using the document as a napkin...
Ah, that episode is called "Homer the Great" and its either season five or six...can't remember...I think it's six though. And well...Hawaja, your post hit it on the head.
Season 6. "Oh...er... uh... you have a Royal... SAMPLER!" If these guys really wanted to spread their word and look credible, they would outline their fonts in black. Couldn't read any of that shit. Anyways, if you ask me, these dorks are basically one step away from numerology geeks... people that think numbers in everything (dimension of every single physical object) have some type of divine meaning. Yeah, right...some dude w/ his ass crack hanging out that built my computer desk is a holy vessel.
Here's a good website that talks about this stuff while maintaining the bullshit meter: http://www.disinfo.com/site/ The guy Russ Kick has a series of books you can get there, the best one is "Everything you know is wrong," talks about Masonic links to JFK, and "Abuse your illusions" has a whole chapter about 911. Pretty useful information that makes you think twice about stuff, I have four of his books, the above two and "You are being lied to" which is more politics and conspiracy, and "The book of Lies" that is about modern occultism. The site also has some pretty good articles on it.
I agree Gaijin. Having family members in the Free Masons. All I can say is that the video does not give out the true facts and history behind the symbols. That is why you, Cahaz, were freaked out. If you knew more about the history of the US, its founding fathers, denominations of religion, then you would know why such symbolism was used. Did the government really kill Kennedy? Kennedy made enemies when he decided not to bomb Cuba which would end up starting a nuclear war, which was something what his chief-of-staff Air Force General wanted. JFK's heritage is also pretty dark, his father was a congressman who supported Nazis before it entered WW2. When Japan joined sides with Germany and then Japan bombed pearl harbor his political career was destroyed because of what he said before. Also, his family was loosely involved with the mafia back during the prohibition. So, anyone could've signed off for his death. About this whole conspiracy theories. All they are meant to do is to scare the ignorant and have them jump to conclusion, but now they say to seek the information, and when you do that, you see that most of what they say, is shit. All the founding fathers of America where in the Free Masons (except for one I believe, but I forget which one exactly, I think it was Jefferson). When they were working on our country, they wanted the country be left alone from England and everyone else and to have the people of their country live in peace, have proper justice, proper economies, etc. We have to realize that America is the new Roman empire, but not as violent and arrogant as the Romans were. Let me just talk about the symbols the video showed and the true meanings behind them. What you will all see is that our founding fathers are not fascists or satanic, nor is this whole government is. The reason for having Persephone (aka Proserpine in Roman mythology in which she's also goddess of the underworld) on the capitol is not to symbolize a dark meaning like the video portrays. The reason they didn't go with Virgin Mary was actually because of the principle of having church seperated from State. It was a catholic symbol, which goes against Masonic values. Persephone is a secular symbol for the most part, but they didn't choose her to represent the capitol as an underworld (which sorta is with the current politicians in there lol). They chose her because of Persephone's origins, the symbolism behind her. She was the beautiful daughter of Zeus and Demeter, and everybody loved her. She represents the combination of law, justice, morals (Zeus) and planned soceity (demeter). Its all symbolism! Again. the video is meant to freak you out, that the masons are out to get you like the Boogie Monster. The pyramid is another ancient symbol. Egyptians invented it (or used it) to symbolize to their people that their pharoah is going up, to heaven, to be with the Gods. It turned out to be a symbol of power and a symbol of righteousness, a symbol of righteous power. Not an evil power. The same for the Holy Trinity. For those who may not know, the Holy Trinity stands for this: Holy Father is at the Apex (God), Holy Son and Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) are at the bases. Another symbol they show is the Fasces. The Fasces is an old symbol of Roman Authority. It represented two types of punishment, either physical punishment in which you would be beaten by the wooden rods, or death penalty in which you would be slayed by the axe. Mussolini used it as a symbol of authority. He used a lot of Roman symbols for his government. We use it for the same reason, but not because the US wants to be like Mussolini, they are using it for its symbolic origins. As for the Pentagram. You gotta keep in mind that the Masons are protestant which Catholics hated. Having said that, [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]in Freemasonry, the pentagram is usually referred to as the "blazing star," and in addition to more traditional Pythagorian symbolism, is sometimes symbolic of the descent of the divinity of Christ into the world of matter, a remnant of Masonry's ties with medieval Christian Kabbalah and hermeticv tradition. In this, it represents the Star of Bethlehem. Freemasonry emphasizes Pythagorean geometry in its system of allegorical symbology, and as the pentagram was the chief of the Pythagorean symbols, it is not at all surprising to find it among Masonic symbols. Even so, it is still a relatively minor symbol in freemasonry, and largely ignored in today's lodges. [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] (Scroll down a bit and read the rest of it) However, one of the simpler reasons for using it (which is what my grandfather told me) was to mock Catholicism. The Catholic church does not use the pentagram at all because it sees it as a satanic symbol, but in fact, the pentagram was an early symbol of christianity, so for the masons to use it, it meant that the masons were closer to God than the Catholics were. And if you keep reading the link I posted, it talks about as to why Washington DC has the pentagram symbol. The founding fathers derived its design due to their masonic values. As for the WTC. The conspiracy theorists LOVE to make a government connection here because its soo easy, yet it is still untrue. Now I don't know if [/font]Minoru Yamasaki (the chief architect of the WTC) wanted the buildings positioned in such a way that they would go together well under the arch of liberty in NYC. Then the video showed the towers behind the Statue of Liberty and then starts throwing out "facts" ("proven" by fellow conspiracy theorists) and talks about how free-energy was invented but the big-bad government keeps it away from us. "The object that appears higher than initial explosion and falls at a much steeper angle moving 6 plus times faster than the debris", i'm surprised how they were able to make that calculation from a shoddy video recording and I like how they "prove" the connection because it was a video submitted to CBS and they put their corporate logo on the video because we all know CBS is a state run TV station . [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] So as you can see, the video doesn't tell you the truth, yet it advertises itself as if it does. Stay in School kids. [/font]
Well I'm not sure if that "missile" was one, but it could very be an engine from the plane. Some of the engines of the plane were found very far away from the towers.
For me, I take the video with a grain of salt , but i still enjoy watching them because it gets you questioning things. Of course, the people that take those videos as pure fact are crazy, but its definatly fun in a way, and keeps the mind moving on a slow day.
Yeah, Hatter is on the mark with the symbology. The fasces there that appear in the congressional hall predate Mussolini, and actually used to be on the dime (along with the face of the Roman god Mercury. First time I saw one I thought it was a forgien coin actually.) I see it kind of like these symbols are burned into the western mind through our religions and such, so when you create a logo or state seal people tend to draw on this imagery. It doesn't necessarily mean that the dollar bill, the AOL/time warner logo, and the Egyptian eye of RA are all connected just becasue they use the same imagery. We also gotta remeber that these symbols meant different things to people at different times. Like Hatter said the pentagram as a symbol of something evil only goes back to the middle ages or so, in early christian times the chruch used a variant of it to represent the five wounds of Jesus (as it used a lot of pagan/pre-Christian imagery until the established icons of Christ on the cross, the crucifix, etc. Were developed. In the early church crosses were actually considered a bad thing.) In Roman Paganism it was used as a symbol of Venus (Aphrodite, the love goddess.) Here is an image of Christ as Sol Invictus (Apollo the sun god): http://www.coco.cc.az.us/apetersen/_ART201/_images/sol_invictus.gif Pentegrams became evil in the middle ages when they were used by gnostics, heretics, alchemists, etc. People who got burned at the stake. Later on they were picked up by 19th centruy occultist people, and the modern meaning behind it is supposed to denote man's dominion over the world, the Penetegram is supposed to be pointing down at the man's head. So it's use has been adopted by many modern day wizard types, the order of the golden dawn, the chruch of satan, wiccans (but without the evil connotation,) etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram - everything you ever wanted to know about Pentegrams. Anyway, I think people come up with conspiracy theories as a way of filling in the gaps when the entire truth hasn't been told about something. While many of the theories about JFK or 911 are just plain wacky theories, it seems to me that the "official versions" of these events are just as wacky in themselves. A magic bullet? Yeah, ok. Nobody knew about 911? Give me a fucking break. Obviously there's more going on in the world than we are told or lead to beleive, obviously there is massive corruption, cover up, and scandal. Some of this stuff does get a little far fetched at times though.
One thing : the headover cross over the pope's head is the symbol of the St. Peters followers. Nothing satanical in it at all. Oh i forgot - i love the Uncle sam picture at the end
I heard that the iluminati put little tiny cameras in every light fixture around the World...You'd have to be pretty perverted to be an Iluminati, lol.
