The Great 20 year mystery: Why are PS1 games black?

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  1. GodofHardcore

    GodofHardcore Paragon of the Forum *

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    Is there any difference in how the Net Yaroze reads discs?
     
  2. johnace

    johnace Grumpy Old Man

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    All consumer bought cd writers correct bad blocks before they write to disc...The playstation disc writers didn't do this and the console checks for these badblocks Before It Launches The Game.
     
  3. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    They used to sell black CDR too.
     
  4. Yakumo

    Yakumo Pillar of the Community *****

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    This is so true. Samsung used to sell them. Not only black but red, green, purple, yellow and blue. I had loads of them. Of course I used black for PlayStation stuff jut for uniform sakes :p
     
  5. pwl

    pwl You don't need a reason to help someone

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    yup, I know about the licence string in the wobble at the beginning of the disc, I have a chipped PS1.

    It only uses the licence string to ID the boot disc, So it can play game's from any region and backup copy's

    Edit: Sorry it can't play backup's what was I thinking, It can play game's form all regions. Sorry
     
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  6. artillery_ghosted

    artillery_ghosted Gutsy Member

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    Then the new millennium arrived and colors in electronics became obsolete. (why?)
     
  7. BLUamnEsiac

    BLUamnEsiac ɐɹnɔsqO ʇᴉq-8

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    I've still got a stack of old burned discs with tinted colors. For some reason, my older quad and 8X speed CD-ROM drives had a hard time reading yellow and red CD-R.
     
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  8. sonicsean89

    sonicsean89 Site Soldier

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    I'll take black computer cases over the dingy cream that all computers in the 90s were colored.
     
  9. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    Because black is the cheapest plastic to buy.

    Solid colors are cheap. Clear ones cost more money to be durable, the density must be very high.

    The nintendo opaque colored systems were the pinnacle of high density clear plastics in consoles.
     
  10. artillery_ghosted

    artillery_ghosted Gutsy Member

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    give us more solid colors then last gen had some color variation (red 360, blue PS3, light blue Wii etc)
     
  11. A Toubib

    A Toubib Midnight Xbox Crew

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    As I recall, a large study was done on TV based electronics in the US pre-gamecube era, and US consumers were mainly interested in Black colored units. With White being Second. (I guess we are pretty dull electronics wise)

    While in Japan, colored electronics have traditionally sold really well, even when marked up. Which is why Sony and Nintendo tend to make a lot of color variations in Japan, which don't make there way in the US.
     
  12. HEX1GON

    HEX1GON FREEZE! Scumbag

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    Japan love colour, you look at their clothing styles, phones and a bunch of other accessories. They all have colour. This is one reason why I prefer the Japanese Saturn controllers over the PAL ones.
     
  13. artillery_ghosted

    artillery_ghosted Gutsy Member

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    I wish the US would get over its color phobia.
     
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    Vosse Well Known Member

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    Black and White are so boring. We only ever get different colors in stupid bundles it seems. So annoying
     
  15. TriMesh

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    Except that this simply isn't true, and the PS copy protection had nothing to do with those sectors. If it did, then modchips wouldn't work, because all they do is simulate the wobble in the leadin of a PS CD-ROM and don't touch the actual data stream.

    On top of this, there are some PS games (normally the later ones) that do have these sectors written with correct ECC/EDC and they will happily boot on retail consoles.
     
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    johnace Grumpy Old Man

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    The lead in data (blocks 0 to15) is the "wobble" data or more simply is bad blocks written in a specific way that the console looks for on boot up....The sectors are setup like so

    000000-000015 Data track boot blocks
    000016-024520 Data track program area
    024521-024670 Postgap for data track
    024671-024820 Pregap for first audio track
    024821-048326 Audio track #1*
    048327-048476 Pregap for second audio track
    048477-072485 Audio track #2*
    191281-191430 Pregap for ninth audio track*
    191431-214349 Audio track #9*
    214350-?????? Leadout track
     
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  17. Lionheart

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    I really liked the PS2 CD's, Purple/Blue bottom looked really sexy
     
  18. GodofHardcore

    GodofHardcore Paragon of the Forum *

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    For some reason my PS2 stopped Booding the Purple/Blue bottom PS2 CDs, It'll boot action replay, It'll boot the discs if I use swap magic but half the time when it's just the disc, it won't boot them.
     
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    Yeah, PS2's are notorious for problems with CD based games
     
  20. GodofHardcore

    GodofHardcore Paragon of the Forum *

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    I'm thinking of just getting another US PS2, and a Japanese PS2, then using the one I've been using as the Burn system.
     
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