The King of PS2 Collecting: Full Playstation 2 ntsc Library Sealed

Can't believe there's so much hate for the guy - like it's already been pointed out, you don't knock a stamp collector for NOT using his stamps.

That's an impressive collection that must have taken years to compile - on top of that, read the interview, he DOES play the games... he even has favorites.

I would say a person who buys ten copies of a ltd run (on release) only to hold them back and sell them later at a profit is, perhaps, a 'hoarder' - but not this guy... it's no business for him.

Actually, someone who buys ten copies of a ltd game and holds them back is more of an 'investor'... but still.

Besides, 99% of the population rips off the plastic seal and that's it... Years from now, how easy will it be to find a genuinely sealed copy of any game? Difficult, but thanks to these collectors you 'might' have a chance which is better than nothing... Maybe you should thank them?

 

Bah. Just another thread poisoned by GoH stupidity.

If the guy resisted opening the games when he purchased them at full price new and decided he wanted to build a full set out of it, who cares? He paid for the games, he can do whatever he wants. This guy isn't speculating on future prices and buying like 5000 copies of a single game. He bought a single copy of each game and saved it for his personal collection. Big deal. Yes, it's nicer than 95% of peoples collections here. So? He earned it. So take it like a man and suck it up. Your perfectly free to make your own full-set if you want one. It's not like it stopped Adol from making his godly sets. ray:

 

You have a point there...

let's harass stamp and coin collectors also! :evil:

 

No, you'r wrong. Conservation of optical media is a problem. Chimical layer deteriorates over the time. Plus, if your DVD/BD disc kept seal in his box, disc's plastic become brittle. Collec sealed game is a nonsense.

You don't keep wine to never drink it. After years it will taste like vinegar.

But anyway everybody does what he wants. Even if it's idiot. :banghead:

 

Not wrong.

Sealed in box > used

unused will always last longer, regardless of disc rot or anything else.

I said it would last longer, which you even quoted.

And people who buy 100's of years old wine say different about that too. Maybe they should of drank all that straight away?

edit:

Just remembered, I have CD's that are nearly 20 years old and still work perfectly.

 

Bah, I'll never understand why people buy games they aren't gonna play, and especially not why people gather sealed games and don't play them. I'd understand it if it was just good games, but spending actual money on every crappy sports and cartoon license game on PS2?

The stamp/coin collector analogy doesn't work at all, because you can play a game, but what the hell can you actually DO with a stamp or coin besides just look at them?

 

Collect them?

 

haha i Lol'ed

 

Nope
I'm no chimist expert but from what I've understood, the plastic used as shrinkwraps is pure crap which is logical from an economical point of view: since it's meant to be removed quickly after the purchase, manufacturers do not see the point in using good quality materials. Therefore, it's not supposed to last long and will sooner or later deteriorate sending "not too good" oxydes inside the box deteriorating the cd faster.

 

The playstation 10 million model wine says hi ;-)

On the subject of hoarding/sealed games. If you have the money and can resist not opening... Go for it. Your money your choice.

Buying 1 copy of a game sealed is NOT hoarding. Some people have their idea of hoarding very wrong.

 

You misunderstand completely apparently.

Or listening to nonsense, which there is plenty of on the internet.

Issues with Discs:

Oxidation of the reflective layer - discs have a protective lacquer on them, being in box helps stop that getting damaged and exposing the aluminium to the atmosphere. Also needs oxygen, which opening the box cant help

UV damage - again, box helps.

There are reports that its actually mostly just an issue with certain presses (much like bad caps were bad batches) from the people making them. I.e "The Prestige" on bluray recently had this issue and its new - yet I have 20 year old CD's that are still completely fine.


CDR/DVDR have other issues, but they dont apply as we are talking original presses.


Anyway, I think the above has gotten what I have to say across and ive been on the internet long enough to know arguing online is pointless - so ill leave it there.

 

haha, the dude has PC eroge games sitting plainly in with his PS2 games.

 

Your can't compare CD manufacturing process to DVD/BD process there is slightly diferent, more complex. In the first days of CD lifespan manufacturing quality, and check on the medium was better than today. Better, because of least amount of CD that have been produce.

Look at the thickness of the plastic on your old CD, take your newer CD. You will notice older CD are thicker than newer CD. Same thing apply to games that are widely sold. The more copies distributed, the lower quality of manufacture.

Same thing apply to DVDs (BD is an other case).

Yes, right. But say at a guy who collect sealed game to rip off the plastic on the box. I don't beleive he would...

 

he talks about a sony white seal on the black label games.

What seal is that ? I would like to see one.

 

So you're telling me the games are vacuumed before being sealed ?

yeah, except I was talking about sealed games Vs boxed games. and you argue with loose discs.

I also have thousands of 20 years old CD's that are still completely fine (yes, thousands)
But since I don't have a single factory sealed CD that is 20 years old, I can't argue here about sealed cd's being better than boxed cd's

Or you can bring solid arguments and try to convince me. Look at the argument, you say "sealed is better" I say "no because" and you answer what ? "bulshit ! BOXED is better than loose so shut the fuck up, end of debate, I won't come back". I'm not sure you'll convince anyone on the internet this way.

And of course, you can answer to a post that begins with "I'm no expert but from what I've understood" with more than condescension.

 

Your post actually started with "nope". If you don't want shooting down, I suggest not starting your post like that.

Also, sealed vs boxed vs loose....

Are you suggesting you are comparing boxed disk but NEVER used vs sealed? because if so, how is that any different to collecting them sealed and never using them? If you are just taking the plastic off, but never open it you are just decreasing value and still not playing it.

OR

If you are suggesting they are used and then returned to the box, then you still get exposed to UV and potential damage to the lacquer that protects from oxidation. Which will cause the disk to rot.

Either way, you make no sense. Sealed is always more protective or avoids damage from use.

Also, I don't intend to convince anyone, I'm not a teacher and I gain nothing by taking time to convince you of anything. If people want to take my advice and experience that benefits THEM not me. So why bother wasting my time? and as I said, I've been on the internet long enough to know it will just go on forever and ever which is just wasting more time.

I may come across as a bit of an asshole with the above comment, but life is too short to convince people who have already made up their mind. Especially when they are not someone I will meet, not a friend, etc. I'm not a Good Samaritan and my time is valuable to me, so why give it away to strangers.

edit:

Here is a link saying how it was a due to a manufacturing fault and is apparently resolved:
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/bronzed.asp

Again, CDR/DVDR is different due to differences of pressing vs dye, but again this thread is nothing to do with writeable media.

 

My point was that keeping a disc in a factory sealed box will not keep it in better condition than keeping it in a non factory sealed box that you will never ever open. I'm not talking about getting more protection than played game (do you think I'm an idiot or what ) !
Why ? Because the plastic used to make the shrinkwrap is a poor quality meant to be removed quickly. If it's not, it will deteriorate and throw not too good stuff inside the box which will make the cd suffer.
To summarize: take the dudes ps2 sealed collection. Duplicate it. You will have 3700 factory sealed games. Now, remove the shrinkwrap on 1850 boxes but do not open none of the boxes. Never. In 50 years, remove the shrinkwrap from the 1850 others.
Test the cds.
Chances are that there will be less non-working cds in the first group that in the second.
Anyway, you're right, this will go forever. And not only because of my crappy english skills that make totally misunderstand what I mean lol

 

I cant belive how many people hate the guy, especially with bullshit like "keeps others from playing games" and for being a "hoarder"

99.9% of ps2 games are ripped and are/were available to download online.

 

Because games are to be played not hoarded

 

Stamps are to be licked and coins are to be used to purchase items with