Gmod isn't as original as you thought it was. Gmod actually started as another mod called jb mod. It was the very first Source engine mod, coming out 2 days after valve released the Source engine. JB mod was becoming popular then Garry Newman wasn't able to get jb mod, so he stole the source code from jb mod and made gmod. Gmod got more and more popular since it was being updated more frequently, while jb mod was updated occasionally. The team behind jb mod also ported older valve games to the Source engine, so these guy actually made Half Life Source. Valve stole those and took all the credit for themselves. part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaGZZfDtAOg&index=2&list=PLA950DE59F3749E7B part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR4toqYPe1k&list=PLA950DE59F3749E7B&index=3 where it is now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OJDDC2E69E
Not even gonna bother watching the video when you state Valve stole someone else's work porting of HL1 to the Source Engine. Seeing as how the leaked Worldcraft map pack that was put out when the prerelease was stolen has folders of Half-life 1 maps which are converted to Source Engine format & show signs of being worked on. No team could have ported this to the Source engine unless they were part of Valve, as no one had the tools/resources to build them. As for Gmod not being as original as we thought it was? Well, in the state it's been for the past few years, it is pretty damn original. A lot of mods are made like this for almost every engine, but rarely do they go as far as Gmod. (jb mod is proof of this, one of the first mods, and what is it? A sandbox style addition that let's you mess with the engine) Did he steal the Source code of this for the base of his mod? Never heard of that, so I am doubtful on a level, especially since he seems way skilled enough to blow past such easily laid groundwork. If he did "steal" it somehow, of course that is frowned upon, but by now the code he stole would make 1% or less of what's there, I'd assume.
What I meant by it isn't original was that the game was stolen. I have proof that JBmod came before Gmod. According to Wikipedia gmod first came out on Dec 24, 2004. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry's_Mod JBmod originated on hl2world, and I found a thread there that has JBmod and that is dated Dec 1, 2004. http://web.archive.org/web/20041222074950/http://www.hl2world.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=17411 The initial release of JBmod is here and dated dec 5, 2004. http://halflife2.filefront.com/file/HalfLife_2_JB_Mod;33996 Version 2 of gmod is on the same site, but it was added on dec 26, 2004. two days after gmod was released. http://halflife2.filefront.com/file/HalfLife_2_Garrys_Mod_V2;35185 But one more piece of evidence that adds to the suspicion that Garry Newman and Valve have some sort of secret deal. These guys tried to get JBmod on greenlight and it was removed within hours of being added even though it received a lot of intrest from the community. start at 0:26
You are very unclear in what you are trying to get across here... So Valve literally stole the converted map files for Half-life Source from the JBmod team and Garry simply stole the idea of an open sandbox style modification? Even though your opening post says this, which doesn't make too much sense. He wasn't able to get on the team? So he "stole" the source code? How did he manage that? You do know what source code is, right? It's not just an idea... I already shot down your "hypothesis" that Valve simply took a fans hard work for their own (which is extremely insulting, as you are just dismissing all of those Valve employees who poured hard work into that job of converting HL for the Source engine.) & if you are saying that Garry based his mod off of the idea of JBmod, who gives a shit? I already stated that mods like JBmod are done all the time for different engines, it isn't even an original idea to begin with. Not only that, it's like saying that the new restaurant in your town that makes really good cheeseburgers "stole" that idea from the Earl of Sandwich, John Montagu. Wow, good job! This is already widely known, & I even mentioned it in my first reply... It's like you didn't read any of what I said. This is just hilarious to me. Some sort of secret deal? Valve hired Newman to make Garry's Mod an officially sanctioned mod before Greenlight even existed. He was given the full source code allowing him to edit the base framework of the Source engine & given Steam support because they saw his mod as worthy. JBmod was nothing compared to Gmod at this time. By the time Steam Greenlight was rolled out, Gmod was already exploding & new features added constantly, while JBmod rotted. If JBmod was on Greenlight, I wouldn't expect it to succeed at all with what it's up against. If the JBmod team has their panties in a bunch because Garry's Mod became so damn big that it caught Valve's eye which in turn allowed Garry to charge people for it, too bad. They didn't put as much work into their mod as he did, & now they are probably kicking themselves for a missed opportunity. I work with the GoldSrc & Source engine, & have for more than a decade. Combined with my love for developing & beta material, I have researched Valve's creations extensively. I would like to think I know what I am talking about, at some level. Still didn't bother to watch any of the videos, after seeing all the nonsense you write alongside it.
Sorry about that I will download the files and compare them when I get the chance. I admit that I haven't watched those videos in a while, I will quote them later. If valve removed jb mod from greenlight because it looked similar to gmod, then how come there are 4 minecraft style shooters on steam and this game somehow got past greenlight and quality control!!!!!?? http://store.steampowered.com/app/295810/
