Toejam & Earl 3 - Dreamcast Beta

So what happens if Assembler never respond to your mails?

 

Just wait

 

Thanks ;-)

 

Hi guys, I've posted a update and completely redone the OP so some things are much clearer.
(You find the update on the Opening Post)

 

I cannot believe I have only just heard about this! You stay away from the site for a while and bam a real gem like this pops up wow!

I would obviously welcome the games release to the masses and it's really good of you to not hide it away for yourself. If there is a fundraiser I am in, if the are donations I am in. Assembler may not have contacted you because he is weighing up the legality of it all and the Geist Force thing was a bit of a stress I think so maybe some bad memories from that too! Anyway whatever the weather this is going to be sweet.

Now if someone could just turn up Gun Valkyrie I would be done!

 

I'm doing an ToeJam and Earl trilogy review in Portuguese thanks to this thread )

I just wished the third game wasn't the worst of all 3.

The first one still one of the best games of the sega genesis library.

 

Thanks for the support
I've tried to contact Assembler (sent him 4-5 PM's) but didn't get any response, so I just gave up.

If I find Gun Valkyrie, Halo 2 or any other game under some carpet, I will let everyone know

This version is different from the Xbox version, it's more like the original megadrive version

I couldn't play beyond level 10 as it's very big and it was still in alpha stage i think, so it's quite unstable. However I DID almost complete the level, until I was shot to the other side of the map by a bug
Also I had 1 or 2 lockups on level 9, but not as frequent as level 10.

 

I think whatever is available will be lapped up by fans of the other games and the Dreamcast community as a whole. Really looking forward to this and with the talent involved, Family Guy and a mysterious Russian perhaps? (same guy who helped on Geist at a guess) I hope that they may be able to find a way to optimise what is available. Good times!

 

Its simple, you just burn the Disc image to disc and it would play on your Dreamcast with no need for a mod chip or the likes

 

Why are you asking Sega and not Greg Johnson who owns the intellectual rights to ToeJam & Earl? All you're doing is, as one person put it, playing show and tell: "look what I got AND YOU CAN'T HAVE". Asking Sega for permission is just an excuse. You know that Sega won't allow it. What, you think that they'll be like: "SURE WE'LL LET YOU RELEASE A COMPLETELY PLAYABLE PROTO OF OUR GAME FOR FREE"? This is just fallacious logic and theater.

I'm out.

 

Read the 1st post, he contacted Greg, and it seems to get along, yet he wants sega approval. BTW he was going to release it but got freaked a little because he got contacted by some people. I can't say I wouldn't do the same!

 

Wow! I need to read through the forums more it appears! I have my fingers crossed for a positive outcome!

 

Always fun to play with fire. I would be curious to know who spooked him.

 

Yeah, this is a dead in the water (at a guess)

Never in a million years are Sega going to turn around and say "Yes, just post a download link, that's fine with us."

Although what is rather suspicious here is that both the original poster and the original coder must know this.

It doesn't take an idiot to figure out that Sega will never approve of this - it's a violation of a million copyright laws, not to mention the fact that he'd need approval from everyone who worked on the game = never going to happen.

Oh well, at least it exists and I'm sure a lot of users grabbed the videos, etc...

 

Contacted by who?

His only point of contact 'should' be via messages on this site. Simply ignore the user who contacted you and proceed. No lawyer is ever going to sue you for releasing a beta of a ten year old game, for a dead platform, that never came out, that you found on an old dev-kit you purchased on eBay. I'm not really seeing much of a legal case here, are you?

Seriously?

I'd be looking to see some serious credentials before believing anything someone writes in a message.

 

Oh my... always drama with dreamcast proto releases... This will never come out now, contacting SEGA is like asking permission to drown, they'll claim the dev box, the game and luckily the OP won't be hurt financially in the process. I deal with legal counsels/corp lawyers in software regularly and drafting an agreement to allow free distribution of a piece of software is a pipe dream, it costs a lot of money and time. Even if Greg owns the IP of the game, SEGA owns the right to the dev kit, its libraries and runtimes...

The OP got either really spooked or got offered a lot of money, either way can't blame him, you gotta do what's right for you. At least we know that it exists and we saw it in action solid efforts from OP.

 

Personally I've found this whole thing a bit fishy from the start, I've just got no idea what the goal is. Cash? Assembler doesn't ignore stuff like this, it would defeat the entire reason he set this site up, so for a donation drive request to be ignored...I dunno, that just seems iffy. Then the press pick it up and we get a cash value added to the info and promise with proof of a working release, and now this? Wouldn't you think if he was ever going to actually contact anyone to ask for approval he would have done so before even starting this thread? It just seems off to me, the whole process has been sort of wrong.

 

Why bother contacting Sega? Obviously they would never approve.

I understand that OP wants to recoup the cost of the devkit with a donation campaign, but wouldn't it appear as though they're making profit from Sega property? If OP simply put up a download link, I don't think Sega would waste their time taking legal action over something that's over a decade old, out of print, running on a platform that's long dead, and also just not of any interest to most people. As long as it doesn't contain the source code, I just can't see a lawsuit being worth the time and money for Sega.

I'm going to guess that any threatening messages that OP might be receiving are most likely bluffing. I'd just go ahead and release it, but then again, I don't know OP's full story. As sabre said, at least we know that it exists and we saw it in action, so kudos to OP either way.

 

Assembler doesn't ignore stuff, but he doesn't get to things, he is a busy guy with a lot going on. People can go weeks without hearing from him, its not that unusual. Doing so before starting the thread? No, that doesnt always happen either.

Contacting Sega was a mistake, as was contacting anyone really. Sega doesnt need to do a lawsuit, a quick letter from a lawyer is enough to stop most people, myself included. It is their obligation to protect their assets.

 

So what if a lawyer sends a quick letter to OP? Would they really take any further action? Personally, I don't think they would waste their time.

I'd probably just call their bluff and release it anyway. Although I will admit, it would be a tough decision if I was in OP's position. But one thing is for sure - I would not have contacted Sega about it.