Help Request Translate marketplace rules to your language

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  1. ASSEMbler

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    We need the rules translated to different languages. The biggest one so far is french.

    If anyone has the time to translate the rules, please do so and post them here, I will copy and paste to the
    rules thread.

    Please make the first sentence about the forum being primarily english, but posting in two languages in the for sale forum is ok as long as you include english as well.

    1. Sales must be in english
    2. It's ok to use a second language in your sale as long as there's more english than other language.

    Thanks!
     
  2. kennypecheur

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    Will do it now :)
     
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  3. kennypecheur

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    Here you have a French Translation, and the sentence stating that sales must be in English and that help can be found by other French members :

    REMARQUE PREALABLE :

    Toute vente doit-être faite en Anglais. Une seconde langue peut être utilisée tant que la majorité du texte est en anglais. N’hésitez pas à contacter un membre français (kennypecheur, code1038,….) si vous souhaitez des précisions concernant une traduction.

    AVERTISSEMENT LEGAL :

    Tout message, commentaire, fichier, image, video ou autre media posté sur assemblergames.com implique la responsabilité de la personne à l’origine des éléments sus-cités.

    RISQUES A PRENDRE EN COMPTE :

    Acheter sur Internet implique des risques potentiels. Le bon sens est de rigueur lors d’un achat en ligne :

    • Se renseigner sur le vendeur ;
    • Utiliser un moyen de paiement sécurisé ;
    • Eviter les paiements de type « cadeau » lorsqu’ils peuvent limiter le recours à un remboursement ;
    • Envoyer et demander à recevoir les objets achetés via des services de courrier suivi et assuré à hauteur de la valeur de l’objet envoyé ;
    ASSEMblergames.com n’est en aucun cas responsable des pertes potentielles. L’utilisation de la MarketPlace de ce forum implique que chaque utilisateur soit conscient des risques potentiels et qu’il sera le seul responsable en cas de problème. Proposer une annonce sur cette MarketPlace implique l’acceptation de l’ensemble des règles définies par ASSEMblergames.com.


    Règles de la MarketPlace, en date du 14 Juin 2015 :


    A RESPECTER LORS DES VENTES, ECHANGES ET ENCHERES :

    A NE PAS FAIRE :
    • Critiquer les produits proposés, toute personne étant libre de vendre ce qu’il lui plait, sous réserve de correspondre aux critères de vente ;
    • Critiquer les prix, même s’ils peuvent être démesurés ;
    • Appâter les acheteurs potentiels en proposant, dans les commentaires, le même produit à un prix inférieur ;
    • Sonder l’intérêt des personnes à l’aide de commentaires tels que : « Quelqu’un d’intéressé ? ».
    CE QU’IL EST PERMIS DE FAIRE :
    • Négocier le prix, comme par exemple : « Le prix est un peu élevé, que penses-tu de $500 ? » ;
    • Demander de meilleures photos ;
    • Demander des référence en tant que vendeur / acheteur ;
    • Demander le montant des frais d’envoi.
    REMARQUE : Tout commentaire trop hors sujet pourra être déplacé, édité, fusionné ou supprimé sans avertissement.


    REGLES UNIVERSELLES :

    Ce Forum et ses utilisateurs font la différence entre une Beta / un jeu jamais réalisé / un jeu annulé et des copies illégales de jeux sortis dans le commerce.

    VENTE:

    1. Tous les objets proposes doivent avoir un prix défini, sauf dans le cas d’échanges ;
    2. Ventes « en aveugle » interdites ;
    3. Les offres Ebay ou liées à des sites web extérieurs doivent uniquement être proposée dans le sujet / topic approprié ;
    4. Tout objet vendu doit être accompagné d’une photo de validation. Cette photo doit contenir l’objet ainsi que le pseudo, le nom du site et la date indiqués sur une feuille de papier ou tout autre support physique ;
    5. Toute photo doit avoir été prise par l’utilisateur proposant des objets à vendre ;

    6. Pas de vente pour le compte de quelqu’un d’autre. Vous devez posséder l’objet en vente ;
    7. Veuillez utiliser les préfixes de région dans le nom de topic ;
    8. Chaque utilisateur doit limiter son nombre de topic de vente actif à 3 ;
    Pour vendre sur ce forum, chaque utilisateur doit respecter ces règles et remplir ces deux conditions :
    • Avoir posté 50 commentaires au minimum ;
    • Etre membre depuis au moins 3 mois.
    Il n’y a pas de minimum de post ou d’ancienneté pour acheter un objet.

    Tout Spam effectué afin d’atteindre ce minimum de 50 commentaires sera détecté et l’utilisateur à l’origine de ce spam sera banni.


    ENCHERES :
    1. Ne pas définir de prix de vente ;
    2. Toute enchère doit avoir une date de fin définie au début de l’enchère ;
    3. Si un vendeur ou un acheteur ne respecte pas le prix final de l’enchère, ceci pourra être signalé à la communauté et un avis négatif pourra être donné ;
    4. Les enchérisseurs peuvent demander des références auprès du vendeur.

    ZONE GRISE (droits d’auteurs, propriété intellectuelle,….) :

    Si des doutes persistent sur la légalité de la mise en vente d’un objet, veuillez contacter un administrateur.

    MODCHIPS ET SOFTMOD (Modification de firmware) :

    Xbox One : Toute vente de Modchip est permise, à l’exception de ceux qui permettent de lire des jeux copiés ;

    PS4 : Toute vente de Modchip est permise, à l’exception de ceux qui permettent de lire des jeux copiés ;

    XBOX 360 : Toute vente de Modchip est permise. Les disques durs ne peuvent pas être vendus s’ils contiennent des données, à l’exception de jeux qui ne sont plus disponibles sur le XBOX Live, de hacks ou de betas ;

    PS3 : Toute vente de Modchip est permise. Les disques durs ne peuvent pas être vendus s’ils contiennent des données, à l’exception de jeux qui ne sont plus disponibles sur le PSN, de hacks ou de betas ;

    Wii U : Toute vente de Modchip est permise (à condition qu’elles existent), à l’exception de celles qui permettent de lire des jeux copiés. Les disques durs ne peuvent être vendu avec des jeux qui sont encore disponible à la vente ;

    Wii : Pas de restrictions ;

    PSVita : Pas de restrictions ;

    3DS et autres consoles portables : Les flashcard sont permises, mais ne doivent pas être fournies avec des jeux commerciaux.


    SYSTEMES CLONES (Famiclone, Treamcast,….) :

    Pas de restrictions.

    MEDIAS DE BACKUP/ARCHIVES :

    Ceux-ci doivent remplir l’un des critères suivants :
    • Le jeu est une beta originale, et non une copie de la beta originale ;
    • Le jeu n’a jamais été réalisé et ne doit pas être disponible sur internet ;
    • Le jeu est au stade de Silver ;
    • Le jeu est une « Reviewer copy » (copie envoyée aux journalistes pour effectuer leurs tests) ;
    • Le jeu est un « White Label » (jeu dreamcast de promotion) ;
    • Le jeu est sur un GD-R (CD de développement Dreamcast).

    PROTOTYPE / REVIEW / PREVIEW :

    Prototype : Un prototype doit être diffèrent de la version finale du jeu ;

    Review / Preview : Potentiellement différent de la version vendue dans le commerce (risques à la charge de l’acheteur).


    EPROM OR BOOTLEG :

    Pas de restrictions.

    REPRODUCTIONS :

    Les reproductions sont permises, à condition qu’elles ne cherchent pas à reproduire l’emballage original, de manière à leurrer l’acheteur.

    MATERIEL DE DEVELOPPEMENT :

    PS4 et PSVita : Toute vente de matériel de développement doit être accompagné d’une précision concernant la validité du kit dans le temps. Les kits de développement PS4 et PSVita ont une durée limitée dans le temps et ils expireront un jour.

    JEUX NON REALISES SUR LES CONSOLES DE DERNIERE GENERATION (PS4 et XBOX ONE) :

    Les jeux qui sont toujours en développement ou qui doivent sortir ne peuvent pas être mise en vente. La vente d’un tel objet sera traitée comme du piratage et est néfaste à l’industrie du jeu vidéo.

    COMPTES EN LIGNE :

    Les comptes Blizzard, EA ou autre peuvent être vendus, aux risques de l’acheteur.

    CLE BETAS :

    Ne peuvent pas être vendues, mais peuvent être échangées.

    NON RESPECT DES REGLES DE LA MARKETPLACE :

    Les utilisateurs qui ne respectent pas les règles sus-citées de manière récurrente se verront retirer leur droit d’utiliser la MarketPlace. Cela signifie que toutes les parties du forum relatives aux achats sera bloquée (MarketPlace, WTB Forum, Price Check Forum, Online Deals et le User Feedback Forum).

    Le fonctionnement des sanctions est le suivant :
    • 1er non-respect : Suspension de 7 jours ;
    • 2ème non-respect : Suspension de 1 mois ;
    • 3ème non-respect : Suspension de 6 mois ;
    • 4ème non-respect : Suspension permanente.
     
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  4. retro

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    Another one - you must NOT link to external sales threads, e.g. on your own website. Do not use a sales thread to advertise your own website. The sale must be carried out here on ASSEMblergames.com.

    The problem isn't a translation of the rules, it's that users try to use the site with ZERO comprehension of English and think a Google translation will help. It will not.

    Now they understand the rules in French. What happens when someone asks a question? We shouldn't have to translate back and forth for them.
     
  5. rso

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    So it's ok to have, say, the product description in Swahili, as long as the payment details are in English and you pad out the text enough with unrelated chatter? I would very much prefer all sales-related details to be present in English.

    Other than that, since decent English skills are required anyways, aren't translated rules redundant? imho translating the two bullet points:
    - read and follow the marketplace rules -- edit: maybe specify that if you can't understand the rules you should probably not be selling here
    - if you don't: banhammer time
    should suffice.
     
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  6. Bad_Ad84

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    It shouldnt be that there is more english than other language. It should be, if you want to post in dual language then you can. But you should post the same information in both languages.
     
  7. rso

    rso Gone. See y'all elsewhere, maybe.

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    I understood what was meant perfectly fine, but things get lost in translation very easily. Better to be overly specific with rules like this or people will misunderstand, unintentionally or not.
     
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    My post wasnt really directed at you, I agree with what you are saying. I actually dont think what I said was the intent of the original post (otherwise, surely it would just say that).

    But IMO, only information that should be allow not in English is a duplicate of what is in english.
     
  9. kennypecheur

    kennypecheur Site Supporter 2016

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    Well, I agree with the full English thing. A sale thread should be in Full English. I have translated all this. If it is not used, no worries, I have just trained my translation skills haha.

    In the first sentence I have wrote in French, I have stated that if some French dude wants to translate something, he can ask to other French dudes. But I may add that there is a translation thread on this forum, and he may better ask in this special thread, right ?

    On one side, I think that this translation is a proof that Assemblergames really care of what is done here (I mean, in case of legality issue, like the recent MintCookies games case). But on the other side, it can make people think that they can speak in other languages in main discussion, which will be a mess.
     
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    I don't want anyone to think I'm the typical English guy and think everyone should speak English.

    I have nothing but respect for people who speak multiple languages and especially trying to communicate in their second language to people who speak English as their first.

    But if you are selling to English speakers, you are going to need to resolve problems. This marketplace wasn't intended for people who don't contribute to sell their shit. If you can't speak English, you likely aren't contributing here nor can you resolve issues with an English speaker.
     
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    A typical English guy is someone with a coloured suit, Playing Rugby, eating Marmite and drinking tea, right ? Just kidding. Us frog killer, hotel room naked stripper and bad singers love our English friends.

    I totally agree with the full English forum. That was my says.
     
  12. -=FamilyGuy=-

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    You can add me as a french-speaking member to contact if you got translation-related questions.
    Also, I'd put the accents on capital letters, it just hurts my eyes. Some minuscules also are missing their accents.
     
  13. retro

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    As long as the forum has been going, we've always said speak English, but a translation is fine. Of course we're understanding of people struggling in English as a second language - even the natives don't always write perfect English, so you guys (and there are lots of you) do a great job! Probably better than most native English speakers would do in your language (see below). Members of the community have always been happy to help where someone struggles to express themselves, which is great. You'll find staff sometimes attempting to PM someone in their language to clear up confusion, too!

    A coloured suit?! Not heard that one before! lol.

    There's an image of the football hooligan type saying "you're in England, speak bloody English, mate!" ...and yet he'd go to Spain or France and probably not try to speak Spanish or French. In other words, they think English should be spoken everywhere. We're not like that - the forum has always been sympathetic to those who speak English as a second language, translation can be appropriate but backing it up with English is best so everyone can follow the conversation. Regardless of what you say, try to put it all in both languages.

    The game is a beta.
    Le jeu est une beta.

    Expédiez-vous au Royaume-Uni? Ça coûte combien?
    Will you ship to the UK? How much will it cost?

    etc.

    Having the rules in a foreign language certainly doesn't hurt... but I would say it should be noted within them that it is an English language forum and conversations need to be in English, but an English translation alongside a message in your own language is OK if you are struggling.

    Maybe they spent a lot of time in England or America? :p
     
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    That stereotype exists in pretty much all cultures, but it's just a generalization of a minority of obnoxious individuals.

    In Québec, a few decades ago, anglophones were the riches and the francophones were the poors. The former used to tell the latter to "Speak White!". Although in all honesty, that was a fraction of a fraction of the anglos that were the ruling class that'd say/convey this. Now on some level it's almost the opposite with franco/anglo being quite evenly distributed in the classes, but with some franco still feeling oppressed. But, again, it's the minority!
     
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    Absolutely. It just happens that it's the minorities that happen to have a loud voice... I guess that comes from being obnoxious!
     
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    Thanks FamillyGuy, I typed it on my phone, so I didn't found out how to put accent on capital letters. And I may have missed some accent, I will check them.
     
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    When I think about Brit people, I see the guys from Madness (the ska band) with their coloured suits. During the last years, I have been living in UK for almost two years (in Scotland, Wales and England) and one thing I like in UK is that most people will not judge you if you have light green hairs, or tattoos everywhere, or if you are singing "The fields of Athenry" in the street. They will even sing with you, at least in Scotland (not sure if England guys will do it hahaha).

    We also have the same version of this football hooligan type. Parle Français, Merde !

    I didn't knew that. English is still the business language there, right ?
     
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    In high finance yes, because the trades are in Toronto/New-York, but in general it's very francophone with a few places where English is the norm but french is common. There's really no class separation between francos/anglos anymore, except the latter are historically wealthier (their families are often more financially secure).
     
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    Ahh, interesting! It is funny what gives people a stereotype of a nation. Usually books and the media. If you think about a stereotype of French people, I guess people would still say a stripy top, beret and garlic around their neck, probably a neck tie/handkerchief.... not only is that a really old stereotype, but who actually dresses like that?! Why would you wear garlic? lol. Even stereotypes of places like Africa and Saudi Arabia would probably have you believe they are vast scrublands / deserts with shacks. The motorways and skyscrapers must be quite a shock if you visit with that stereotype! ;)

    One thing you'll find in England - go for a walk in the city and you'll see a lot of people. Go for a walk in a village and you'll only pass a few people... but they'll all say hello!

    Thanks for the translation - it seems to have been of help! Hopefully the user will be able to conduct sales even using Google translate.
     
  20. kennypecheur

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    Interesting. I believe that this is only available in Quebec. A friend of mine who has just come back from a 3 monthes stay in Quebec told me that Franco are seen like idiots by other Canadian, from Toronto or Vancouver. Is that true ? Or is it not just a Hockey thing ? I mean, Toronto and Canadian Habs are known to be some kind of enemies.

    Well, UK music is one of the best music in the world for me. I really like Queen, Madness and some others, so most of the vision I have from UK when I was a kid was because of the musicians.

    But know that I have spent a lot of time there, I have seen other part of people. I am sure they have bad sides too, but they looked nicer than French people. You can receive a bottle of beer at the back of the head, and just few minutes after, you can drink a good beer with the same guy. This is pretty funny.

    You are true when you say that people saying hello in the little towns streets. I have been in some Wales small towns, like Montgommery. People where even offering water because of the hot temperatures (yes, hot temperatures in UK haha).

    And about French stereotype, they are based on true things ! Well, the garlic isn't true yet haha (unless for Vampire Hunters), but I still have a Beret (and I am only 28 yo). Stereotypes are always based on true things at first.

    And I do agree with the Saudie Arabia, some cities where huge ! But the sand thing is still true, as I still discovered sand in my stuffs many monthes after being back from Saudie Arabia.
     
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