Use of the word "JAP" in gaming

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  1. RegalSin2020

    RegalSin2020 Guest

    When did it become a bad word and how ?

    I did another search on Nip and it yeilds Nip as in person of Japanese decent not anything wrong besides this one page in english. I have never seen that word used wrong in any way possible unless your talking about the Korean war maybe.

    Is it wrong to say Jinpangese ? Jinpang is another original term for Japan. In fact Japanese don't call them selfs Japanese or Japan.

    I need some proof like from a Japanese Animation or War poster and what war.
    No Merry Mellodies cartoons ether since there jokes are wrong most of the time like with black Elmer flud.
     
  2. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    I'd say that english speakers use it to refer to the Japanese in a WWII savage worthy of no respect kind of way.

    Jappers, Japs, Nips...

    A "Jap" is also american for a quick and blindsided blow to the back of the head.

    He "Japped" me.

    It comes from the notion of being butted with a rifle in the head.

    Mind you my grandmother's sister was killed by korean mercenaries
    working for the Japanese. Of course no one speaks of that from WWII.
    Most people assume the koreans were 100% anti Japanese. By WWII
    Korea had been a colony of Japan for almost 100 years.
     
  3. RegalSin2020

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    Okay so now I heard that before that Japanese was a lang that was migrated from Korea and borrowed various other lags along with words and phrases. Thats new to me but I still don't get how is the word nip a bad refrence and how did it come to be. I have seen Jinpang as a old word yet Nippon is something that is new to me.

    So when did this occured with your grandmothers sister ? Before the Two Koreas or after ?
     
  4. Perkunas

    Perkunas Intrepid Member

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    Korea was only annexated by 1910 mind you, it would be 35 years at most. Only after the Russian-Japanese war in 1904-1905 Japan gained a definitive control over Korea. They did change Korea quite thoroughly, however. Along with Manchuria it was the first heavily industrified region on the Asian continent. Japanese became the official language, Japanese settlers were spread out in Korea,...
     
  5. Phinn

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    Not entirely correct. As Perkunas pointed out, Korea was only annexed by Japan in 1910, although it had been a protectorate since 1905. A hundred years previous, Japan was still a feudal state run by samurai and hadn't yet been 'opened' by the West. That came in 1853.

    As for Koreans working for the Japanese, it's certainly true, although not technically as mercenaries, but as members of the Japanese empire, Korea being wholly consumed by Japan after 1910.

    Many of those Koreans who worked for the Japanese went on to run South Korea for the next fifty odd years under the various military and authortarian regimes. It may not be talked about outside Korea, but it's certainly a big issue domestically, whether to punish these 'collaborators' or not.
     
  6. ASSEMbler

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    The Japanese had coastal stongholds in korea since 1876 and until liberation in 1945 that's some 69 years. Not quite 100 years, but a very long time.

    As to the story of my grandmother's sisters demise, they came to her house and when she refused to "accomodate" the koreans they bayonetted her to death.

    Mind you before the Japanese there were the americans, and then the spanish.
    So it's all about stepped repression of the locals. However my great great grandfather was a kind and fair man. He didn't abuse his region or control.
    He's remembered fondly and there's a big statue of him in the town and the
    high school is named after him.

    Anyway, The Japanese commander was genuinely sorry, and tried to pay off the family. Sorry namely because our mills made them their sake.

    However, Spaniards keep grudges (my family were spanish colonials if you haven't guessed by now) and during the war my great uncle killed 100 Japanese to make revenge for his sister. You'd think he was kidding until he shows you the dried ears.

    Now it's a misconception that all the Japanese were crude barbarians.
    My grandmother knew the geisha the commander kept around.
    The struck up a genuine friendship, as she came every day for the sake
    my grandmother made.

    One day she showed up and told my grandmother to basically grab everyone and run.

    A few days after the americans rolled through the Japanese left
    and the whole area was razed, the old villa was burnt to the ground, so
    she saved their lives.

    Funny thing is the Japanese left all the koreans behind, they didn't even try to take them by ship. So as soon as the Japanese left, the locals ran down all the koreans and pretty much tortured the shit out of them and killed them all by the thousands. There's a nasty weapon called the bolo... If you hit with the sharp side, big pieces just cleave off. If you use the blunt side, it just crushes the flesh into a giant welt and you have to hit someone about 30-40 times to kill them. Guesome and painful.

    My great uncle tells me how they "saved the sharp side for Japanese".

    After the war, they changed the constitution and stripped the family of all
    the colonial land, so they all moved to the states as spain was all fascist
    at the time.
     
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  7. Calpis

    Calpis Champion of the Forum

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    Jap? Jap isn't a "bad" word, it's a distasteful abbreviation for Japanese used extensively as the main slur for Japanese people just as "chink" is probably the most often used for Chinese. I'm from an area with easily the largest or second largest Japanese population in North America and I've never NOT heard it used as a slur by racist old people or in a demeaning joke against Asians generally by young people.

    Not anything wrong? Is English your native language? Please look up "nip"

    Where in did you hear this? In what language is it another word for Japan?

    ..We ALL know Japanese don't call themselves Japanese unless speaking to a foreigner just as Chinese aren't Chinese, Germans aren't Germans, the list goes on. What does that have to do with anything, every Japanese knows the word "Japanese".

    Proof? Are you THAT disenfranchised?

    http://www.rotten.com/library/imagery/propaganda/racist-propaganda/
     
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  8. madhatter256

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  9. Perkunas

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    While it is true Japan had a certain influence in Korea since the Meiji revolution, Russia (and up untill the first Sino-Japanese war in 1894-1895, China) certainly had an even larger influence over the country. Russia was the first country allowed to found financial banks, military harbors, trade posts, railways,... Japan only started dominating Korea when it's military started to get on a par with Russia's.

    It is true however, that Saigo Takamori and a few other prominent samurai wanted to invade Korea in 1873 (this dispute is also called 'Seikanron'). When this plan was rejected by the Meiji government, it triggered the start of the Seinan rebellion (which inspired the Last Samurai, I don't like the film though ;p) a few year later.

    Interesting story though, I didn't know Spain had colonial lands in Korea.
     
  10. RegalSin2020

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    Well Calpis I was refering to the word Nip not Jap. Also I forget where I heard this from but I am sure Jinpang is another word for Japan and is the old wor that was used.

    ASSEMbler your story is very historical and gives a wider grasp or reality of the history that surrounds the colonization of of Japan and Korea. So after the arrival of the "Americans" the Spaniards ( Which I could guess who colonies was most close to Japan and thus took the advantage ) built Colonies as well and after the destruction and death of your people and there homes the Japanese left and the colonist just went mad on the Koreans?

    This could be a movie and your family sounds like my idea of escaping USA to start a new.

    I mean thats like wow in all kinds of ways :pray: Any more ?
     
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  11. Calpis

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    Could you be thinking of Jipang? Jipang is a ficticious parody of "old Japan" from the series Tengai Makyou/Far East of Eden.
     
  12. ASSEMbler

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    Phillipines.
     
  13. Phinn

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    'Jipang' is an old Chinese pronuciation of the Chinese characters the Japanese pronounce 'Nihon' (meaning 'Origin of the Sun' aka 'Land of the Rising Sun'). 'Japan' is a corruption of 'Jipang' first used by Portguese explorers, which is why the West call Japan 'Japan' and not 'Nihon'.


    @ASSEMbler: Interesting story, so you're partly (wholly?) of Filipino descent?
     
  14. oceanfr

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    well they think same about us
     
  15. ServiceGames

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    Well I have to say that hearing the term used audibly is far more annoying than seeing it in print/text.

    I just got home from EBgames(damn I hate that place) and the guy behind the counter just kept going on and on and on about how cool he was because he had JAP imports and how he was all uber initiated because he had JAP products, none of which were rare or even unavailable in the states. He then proceeded to dissuade a man from buying a GBA because "it's kind of a stupid idea to buy one of those because the DS is NEWER and there aren't to many new games in development for the Advance".

    He used the word JAP about 50 times while I was waiting for service and after I left I really wished I had told him to shut the hell up.
     
  16. asnozz

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    I generally use JPN these days, because I myself dont like being called a 'brit'..... im bloody English! I live in England which is a country hence 'English'. Im sure the scottish or 'scotts' dont get called 'brits' as much as the english.... they are both part of great Britain.

    Rant over :)
     
  17. Phinn

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    I'm the other way around, I much prefer to refer to myself as 'British' rather than 'English', although I suspect I'm in the minority. The UK is a very weird entity, made up of four different countries (five if you believe the Cornish) and a splattering of various islands. I suspect the 'I'm English, not British' thing is a direct reaction to devolution which is inherently a bad idea.
     
  18. Alchy

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    We're in a minority of two then, I'm definitely British ;)
     
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