Technics. So easy, even a kitten can use it to mix like a pro. http://www.collegehumor.com/moogaloop/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1773800 -hl718
It's decided. Or mabye I choose the black model... we will see. Now all I have to do is to buy as much psychedelic & hard rock as I can. Won an auction with a shitload of Tangerine Dream LP's last sunday, that's a start.
Okay, let's say I'd like to collect a little vinyl as a side-hobby next to my games and DVD's, what do I have to pay attention to? For instance, are there bad or superior versions apart from e.g. extended contents? I know that the Japanese "Master Recordings" release of Dark Side of the Moon goes for serious money because it is considered to be of the best quality you can get. Is that common practice with a lot of LP's, like that there is one superior version that costs more than a 5$ bill like the regular one w/same content? You could compare that with Criterion Collection DVD's. Buying the regular DVD is okay, but if you bought the expensive Criterion DVD, you will never have to worry again. General advice about what I have to take care of is appreciated! BTW Something veeeeeeeeeery sexy:
The Technics SL-1210 is a piece of shit. It's great if you want your records to start and stop instantly, used as two with a mixer by DJs. As an actual player though, it is awful. Unless you want to run your records at the wrong speed to beat match, or ruin them by scratching, don't waste your money on this crap. Do you actually have an amp? If the answer is no, this conversation is pretty irrelevant - go out and get any record player you can find (second hand shop / ebay) with an integrated amp. You mentioned the 50s - well that's mostly 78 rpm records, which a lot of modern players won't play. The 50s and 60s also had 16 rpm, a very uncommon speed nowadays. That's something to consider. As for audiophile decks, any Rega Planar deck is good (doesn't have to be the latest model), Thorens are good, Linn are good. Pink Triangle were OK, too. Oh, and Michell. With those, don't forget that you then usually need to buy a cartridge, and often an arm. These can be very expensive! You should change the cartridges regularly, too. On the cheap end, you have turntables like Pro-Ject and some of the Rega ones are fairly cheap.
I have a Music Hall MMF 2.1 and it is pretty awesome. I think that you can pick one up for under $500 and the cartridge it comes with is pretty nice. 1200s are nice tables but they are not really that great/made for listening. However unless you are really going for crazy audiophile they will be just fine for you.
Aside from actually having pitch control - why 'exactly' are SL1200's crap? If I want to play a record at 33 n'a'third rpm, I can. I just slide the lever. Worth noting that the only 'home use' vinyl cutting maching actually recommends a 1200 as a base deck. A friend of mine has Linn deck (valued towards a grand - or was that just the cartridge?!) I was genuinley unimpressed. A 1200 is durable, reliable and sounds great - A Linn deck, on the other hand, looks like it was made out of a block of wood and some flimsy plastic - were it to be actually moved at all I'd be fearful of the thing breaking to pieces in seconds. Hey... I'm not out to argue - just putting in my 2 cents in defence of my decks. - Arguments as in depth as 'it's crap' don't wash folks!
Sooooooo... now that I have a player, I need an amp as retro suggested already a page ago :110: * used * 60-120 Euros max. * black if possible * Technics prefered Anything I should take care of? This is one of the first amps I came across after I started searching: Technics SU-VX600 (~1992, 600$ retail price back then) http://www.hifi-leipzig.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p214_Technics-SU-VX600-Vollverstaerker.html It's in German but I guess you can figure out most technical specs. You think this machine is any good? To be quite frank, I am pretty much a noob in the world of Hi-Fi equipment, so I appreciate any advice. Keep in mind though that I yet have to become an audiophile and my expectations to sound quality are not exactly high, so there's no real need to recommend 4000$ equipment
I'm going to have to ditto arnoldlayne's comment and say if you're not going to list a reason why you think the 1200 is crap, you're not being very helpful. When I was looking for a player that was quality and afforadable, the 1200 was always at the top of the list. And as an owner, I'm quite pleased with the purchase. As for ave's amp question, you don't need a specific pre-amp. Any decent compo amp/tuner will work for you so long as it has a phono input. Personally I have my 1200 hooked up to an early '90s Pioneer receiver that is feeding two JBL speakers. The sound from the vinyl is excellent and blows away anything you're going to hear on MP3. Don't get me wrong, I've also got a hard drive loaded with music which I connect to the system for parties so I don't need to flip discs, but when I really want to *listen* to something, I bust out the vinyl. -hl718
Sorry, is someone suggesting the Technics SL-1200 isn't very good? h: It remains one of the best DJ decks on the market. It's tried and tested, it's rugged and the direct drive system is amazingly stable. There are thousands of professional DJs who'd select a 1200 over a 1210Mk2 any day of the week. It's not the sort of deck you generally expect someone to have sitting in their home system unless they were once a DJ. Most of the main features of the 1200 or 1210 are useless to someone just wanting to listen to a record. As for Linn. They are based roughly 15miles from where I live. A mate of mine had a deck he purchased whilst working there. A staff discount of 50% off! When I listened to it, I couldn't really hear why it justified spending quite so much money on. It was good, but I wouldn't have spent the asking price. Over priced imho. I actually own an Aiwa record player, which went out of production back in the 80's, but is fantastic. It's surprisingly high quality. Sadly it's at my parents house some 2 hours from here. Next time I am back over I'll get the details. You'd be surprised! It has a great arm on it, relatively quiet metal platter, very good motor and I equipped it with a Stanton head shell and needle. Seriously though, don't slate the 1200 unless you have actually used one and can actually pin point the reason you dislike it. You'd have better luck standing in the middle of the motorway (freeway / autobahn) and convincing all the traffic to go in the opposite direction.
Well, I've bought a Technics SL-1210Mk2 a couple of weeks ago. It's in fantastic condition except for that the pitch LED tends to flicker a little, but I think I'm going to replace the pitch anyway as the 0-pitch spot moved a little into the negative area (~ -0,5)). So far I'm veeeeeeeeeery pleased with it. As retro was the only one (also considering other forums) who was against an SL-12x0, I thought I could cope with that :110: I've not much vinyl experience but from what I see it's a magnificent piece of hardware. I already dumped the needle, but a replacement is being delivered tomorrow -_- But in the lack of an amp, I wouldn't have had much fun with it anyway. I have a 1210mk2 and it's technically the same model as the 1200mk2 except for being black and having a volt switch. I set a high value on the latter as I'm most likely going to study (in approx. 1yr) abroad in a 110V-country. I purchased a used amp yesterday for incredible 33 Euro SHIPPED. Hopefully it works as good as the seller promised ^^ At least it's gonna match the sl-1210: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170364303032 (wtf is an amplicifier?) Thinking about speakers... not sure if I'm gonna be able to connect the 5.1 speakers to the amp as it's an integrated system from JVC w/receiver. Maybe I'm taking the full Technics route. Does anyone of you think the CB-S60 speakers look good? http://www.electrovnia.pl/TECHNICS/TECHNICS%20SB-CS60/TECHNICS%20SB-CS60.JPG 60W ( DIN ) (120W music) 3-way 8 Ohm Bass reflex
How do you pronounce "vinyl" in English? -__- On the British Forces radio they say "vinnil" yet I've always heard people referring to it as "vainil" which also seems correct to me.
Well I think they are pronouncing it as "vy nill" basically. Since they really do not have the y/ü sound as we do. Heck it is no wonder why they say Oober when it is Über. But anyway Vinyl is great when you have a nice sound system
A shopping trip thru downtown Tokyo with a look at logo shirts up for sale makes me think that Japanese companies need to get native English speakers on staff before they brand in English, never mind pronounciation. -hl718
hahaha, it's not only clothes mate but whopping big billboards or what have you. They really do make themselves look stupid. The rest of Asia isn't half as bad. I know western people have unknown and normally completely wrong Japanese on clothes but at least it stops there. Yakumo
The german pronounciation, which is the closest of all to the authentic latin one IMO, is "vinuel". An "Y" pronounced like in München. ヴィンÃœL English "vainil" sounds pretty cool, but I guess the Japanese (cheesy) "viniiru" is closer to the original word. BTW, how big is vinyl in Japan these days? One of my favourite movies of all time, Tokyo Eyes, has this guy in it with a massive vinyl collection. Entirely bagged, a whole wall of LP's. Simply awesome, that at least conveyed an impression of vinyl addition in Japan among the fans. Not that surprising in a Famicom-collecting country. :love: EDIT: Found a picture of that vinyl collection (only a small part, the shelf goes up to the top of the room and he's stored piles of LP's on it as well): Furthermore the movie is really worthwhile BECAUSE a) A true Shinjuku arcade is featured (dunno if it was Mikado) b) he's completing Virtua Fighter 2 on a Megalo 2 cabinet and the girl's impressed by his skills (OTAKU-FANTASY-ALERT²³³³!!!!!) c) the Virtual Boy is shown pretty often d) Mr. vinyl collector is a hobby programmer e) Mr. vinyl collector is also a Mr. Manga collector f) Mr. vinyl collector makes this movie a fucking good one
