Virtua Fighter 2 for ps2 emulated>????????

Tekken Tag is bloody awful. Yes VF3 is shite, we all know that but Tekken Tag better than Soul Calibur?

By the way, Shenmue 2 isn't 3rd Gen. That game was made before the Dreamcast was released. There were videos of it running before the Dreamcast was released. So graphically it was complete and that's what we are talking about here. Shenmue 1 was actually made after Shenmue 2.

Yakumo

 

the ps2 have more power than the dc , but the ps2 is a really hard to develop for. so , most of first gen ps2 title looked like shit, far worst than the actual dc games of the time. Just look at teken tag tournement...it almost look like a 64 game on steroids! (well,... maybe im too rough...but its still pretty ugly for a 128 bit.)

on the other side, look at what it can do when the machine is used well.... MGS 3 , GT4, Killzone, all those games look terribly howsome.... and im wondering why a ps2 can handle that. (try to compare GT4 with teken TT... they look to be made on 2 separed consoles. )

 

Is it just me or are you guys picking at the games that arent out yet...

The games that have been in Dev for many many years to get that kinda gfx out of the ps2... prob the last games for the ps2 to be anything of a big release and to have money put in to have those great gfx...

 

Yes, and if the DC stayed around as long as the PS2 has I am pretty sure that there would have been games that look just as good as GT4 on the DC. You never know.

Name some other games besides GT4 and Killzone. I am sick and tired of hearing people say, “The PS2 has just as much power as the GC/XBOX. Look at Killzone and GT4." Yes, and the GC and XBOX have been making games that look just as good/better than those since launch. But please, it's not about the graphics right. It's about the game play

 

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Alright then let's take a look at some of the specs of each console...

Dreamcast:
360 MIPS
1.4 GFLOPS
Peak 3+ million polygons per second

PS2:
450 MIPS
6.2 GFLOPS
Peak 75 million polygons per second (I'm assuming that that is an exageration since it is coming from Sony but the PS2 still has more power than the DC plain and simple)

Just as good as GT4? Maybe in your dreams...

 

The thing is is that theres alot of fanboyism going around, for one thing people have to accept the fact that ps2 is the weakest of the bunch(and also the poorist made, why else do developers have such a hard time with it). However it doesnt mean that it can't produce good results, its just that it takes a bit of time to get some good stuff out of it. However the other two consoles have been showing great graphics since their launch(game cube and x-box) And this whole debate about the dc not being able to touch the ps2 is ridiculess, there have been numerous tests showing that games that were ported to ps2 from dc still looked better on dc(some still have a bit of a debate about if doa2 was better on ps2 or not), even tresure themselves said they couldn't port ikaruga to ps2 due to its lack of ram ( i belive thats what it was), Yu Suzuki even stated that shenmue was impossible to port to ps2. Even then as yakumo said shenmu 2 has be in development since the begining of dc, however it should be pointed out shenmue 1 &2 were once one game, but they released 1(which is chapter 1) due to the development time being behind schedual and i guess keeping people satsified for the time(this is similar to what they did with sonic 3 and the lock on cart) which then allowed them to further improve the game as well(based on feedback from people who played part 1). But still you have to face the fact that ps2 isnt really that powerfull as the make it seem( even proud owners of saturn addmitted the machine was weak in its 3d department, yet the right developers could get the results needed). I myself own a ps2 just for certain exclusives(mgs,gt,gta and other special releases). But i agree with alien workshop, its all about gameplay. And qute frankly these current consoles dont quite pack the steady wallop of good games in my opionion of the old ones. And belive me this isnt even being a fanboy, i still had more fun and still do with my dc then i do my ps2(and those who say ps2 has a huger selection, thats nice and all, but about 60-80% of ps2 games out up to this point are pure CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!). Thats my 2 cents.

 

Boy I hope I didn't sound like a fanboy to you. I was just saying that if the DC lived a little longer, we could have seen some better looking games on it. Also, before id-republix jumps down my throat, yes I said game play is more important than graphics, but I did not say graphics don't matter because they do. One more thing, Yes the PS2 has a large library, and like you said most of the games are crap. However, there are some great games for the PS2. I have a PS2 for some of those exclusive titles. With that said, I also have a GC, DC, and XBOX for their great exclusives as well.

 

Well i wasnt viewing you as a fanboy, of course every system has its great exclusives

Ps2
Grand theft auto serise, metal gear serise, and gran turismo serise, also final fantasy

X-box
Halo, dead or alive, ninja gaiden, certain sega exclusives

Game cube
to keep it short pretty much anything by nintendo

I myself have a ps2 just for some of its exclusives, cube for the nintedo game mostly, and maybe if i have some extra cash an x-box for ninja gaiden,doa ultimate, and posibbly halo 2.

 

oh...damn, don't get me wrong again boy! first, ps2 have more pure power than dreamcast. second, ps2 is one hell of thing to program for! so yes, dc can match alot of ps2 games. third, i know its not about the graphics but about the gameplay! didn't you saw that war two weeks ago? ( :smt043 ) anyway, i was talking about graphics , not gameplay. can we separate the graphics and gameplay for one time plz?

anyway, its sure that gc and xbox can do better things than the ps2.... and that's pretty unbelivable to see to big ps2 titles' graphics , i wonder how they could make this with so much weakness and programming difficulties! congradulations!

still. its not about graphics , its about gameplay.
im not fanboyish, im just saying the facts. SO....
*hug* ninty
*hug* sony
and....
*slam!* microsofty!
nah....ok......

*hug*microsofty.... :smt083

*Hug* Ya! :smt045

:-D

 

Cahaz my friend, I am not trying to prove you wrong, and I am most certainly not calling you a fanboy However, I was just stating that given time, the DC might have been able to put out games that look just as good as some of the current PS2 stuff. However, we will never konw. Oh, and I do remember what happened about two weeks ago. I know you are a stickler for game play over graphics :-D

 

Okay, settle down bitches. Here I come to stir the pot. Make note of these notes at the end of the article, when he points out some of their feats:

(note, I'm at work, and up to my ass in it, so am paraphrasing)

 

*AHEM* The fact that it's architecture is complex does NOT imply that it is "poorist made". According to that logic, an architecture that runs native Visual Basic code would be superior :smt042

The DC has 16mb of main RAM, the PS2 has 32mb. The only thing the DC has more is video RAM (8mb vs 4mb), but that should not imply that it is totally impossible to port. The Saturn has more VRAM than the PSX, but still there's plenty of games that appeared on both systems, even the graphically intensive ones.

Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, just felt like correcting some technical facts

 

Agreed, but certain factors of the hardware do suck. No fast hardware anti-aliasing, no hardware texture compression, high latency RDRAM etc etc.

 

Just got my copy in the mail today... cant wait to play it... shame im not going home for a few days!

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I don´t know any accurate emulator for 3D games, all i tried are far from perfect :smt1069

You are talking about raw cpu power, and yeah, EE is better than SH4 , but the power vr 2 from DC is WORLDS FAR BETTER than the ps2 GS ( with minor cpu better graphic results ), another things is that DC does all kind of effects via hardware and ps2 relies in the cpu ( antialiasing for example.. even SOUND effects ). Ah, and DC can compress the textures at 8:1 ratio, PS2 lacks compression :smt042

No one can tell what DC can do because no one knows, she died soon :smt009