Welcome to the "We hate your style" Thread :)

Taemos, its fair enough to get your feelings out in the open. As I said before, it is the sort of place where people take on board other people's feelings, and if they've accidentally upset someone they'll take that on board too :smt045

This is good, as I've had dealings on other forums where people think it is a laugh just to keep on at that sore point, and the mods don't even do anything about it. We rock! lol

 

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I like this forum, and I do my best to stay friendly with everyone (I don't care much for arguments over a forum). I'm just hopeful that it will stay this friendly :smt023.

 

Back a little on the topic of cases and such... it's too bad that PAL Dreamcast cases are so easily broken, because I think they are really cool looking. They just don't seem to fit in any standard CD racks though - too big for the single CD slots and too small for the large ones.

Does anyone know at what point Japanese PSX games ceased to have the larger, PAL-style cases and moved to the standard form-factor cases? I've got 4 Japanese PSX games - Gunners Heaven and Vib Ribbon, which are in the thicker cases, Capcom Generation Volume 5. which is in a normal case, and Gradius Gaiden PSone The Books with the slimline case. Are all of the PSone The Books series in the slimline cases as well?

 

THe japanese GC game cases are small too, to just accomadate the small disk.

Let me tell you the reason why the American's have bigger game cases than the rest of the world. That's because this is a big country, we pay the same amount for a house/apartment that Yakumo probably has but our living space is much bigger than his. Also, paying $50 for a small game seems like a waste of money compared to buying it in a bigger packaging. Heck, when I buy a PC game, preferably an RPG, I tend to see a bigger boxed game than a small one, that and if it weighs a lot if it has a booklet in it. Another example are the NES carts. the US carts are big, but when you opent them up, the PCB with the ROM is freaking small!! Nintendo made it that big to make us think its worth the $70 they want from us.

That idea of "American product = shit" is false. I mean, take a look at the Chevy Corvette, GTO, Ford GT, Ford Mustang, Dodge Viper. That shit is high quality!! Oh and when Working Designs publishes a game they make it as great as possible.

 

It depends on the NES cart - some, like SMB and other fairly simple ones, have a PCB that could easily fit in a Famicom cart, but as you get into more complex games with custom memory mappers or battery saves, the PCBs take up a lot more room inside. Could they be smaller? Probably, as Famicom games nearly all had the same form factor, yet managed to cram all the chips and such inside. So it just depends on the game as to if the size of a NES cart is wasted space or not.

 

Tell ya something, I have a copy the first PSX game released (Ridge Racer, SLPS-00001) comes in a normal CD with spine card whereas a later game (Pocket MuuMuu) has one of the euro-style cases... but then Einhander (1997) came in a normal case... I'm clueless.

Oh and what's the story with the Saturn cases that look like normal CD cases but are several mm thicker?

 

The US Saturn cases piss me off to no end. The cases are huge, and with the thick plastic used you'd think they'd at least be durable. Not so!

 

Ugh, yeah, that and the original US Saturn cases. Thankfully, Sony saw the error of their manufacturing ways, but the Saturn never did. Then again, it was so short lived there wasn't cause for much overhaul here, sadly.

Anti, I think I know what you mean about the normal cases that are a little bigger - my Japanese copy of Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 on Dreamcast seems to be a little thicker than a normal CD case. It's not something you immediately notice, but when compared to a normal CD case (or when attempting to store it in your CD rack :angry ) it is indeed a little thicker, presumably to accomodate the massive instruction manual.

And now that you mention it, I think Vib Ribbon was released a few years after Gunners Heaven, maybe even later than Capcom Generation 5, so it's looking like time of release wasn't a factor. Maybe just the manufacturer's preferences?

 

Not necessarily true. It really depends on where you live in the states. 7 years ago, I think I paid $450 for a decent sized 1-bed room apartmetn in Austin, Texas. I moved to Tokyo and my ex-girlfriend moved to NY. At that time, she paid about $1000/mo for a < 400 sq ft. apartment in Hell's Kitchen, and I paid about $700 for a < 250 sq ft. SHIT HOLE (I got a sulfur smell 3 times a night -- something like a dead animal) apartment in not too far out of the way Tokyo. I got a bit closer, and my apartment went to 310 square fet, and $1200 for rent, and was nicer than anything I stepped in in Austin. I eventually moved into company housing, which was a 10 minute walk from Shibuya, about 1200 square feet for $3200/mo (but I didn't pay for it :smt023 ). I'm now going to pay a lot of my OWN money for a decent 2-bedroom apartment in Honolulu. The downside being that it will be not NEAR as nice as anything in Tokyo. The Japanese may do it small, but if there's one thing they do do right -- it's quality. Nice and clean (and usually new). On that note, while I don't think just b/c a product is American it's shit, there is SOME truth that other cultures do it better. I've never lived in another country, so I can't comment, but there is a certain "you can eat off the floor" feeling about living in Japan.

This is a joke, right? As before, I don't think all American products are shit by a stretch, but choosing cars (even high end ones) to go head to head against Japanese ones, is just sillly.

 

Yes, and I live in a big ass house on 20 acres of Land, and my parents pay $800 a month. Like you said, in the US it all depends on where you live. :smt023

Yes, because the American cars would dominate.

 

In terms of what... sales, or durability? Oh, wait -- Japanese cars dominate both

 

Actually, I was talking speed. However, I would be willing to bet that there isn't a single engine, Japanese, European, or other American, that will last longer than a Ford straight six.

Hey, madhatter256 you forgot the Saleen S7 :smt023

 

The car statement basically stated that American cars are as good as everyone elses in their own unique way. If you disagree then you're a fanboy.. Anyway. About you living here and paying $450/month. Thats the same here. Its alla bout location. If you want to live in NYC then you'll have to pay out the ass for a decent sized apartment, unless you know people ;-).

Anyway, my statement about that has weight to it. We have room to expand. And that new land thats being developed on in the outskirts of the city will be cheap for to buy/live on but in about a decade the price of it will sky-rocket. Its all about location, location, location...

 

American cars dominate in using more pertol ;-) I think that for pure stlye, comfort, safety, durability then nothing beats a Japanese car closely followed by Europe. As for the "Cool" factor the Japanese are the best. Power where you need it yet still manage not to look like a tank. Take the Toyota Alteza (Lexus ??? in the UK), Suburu Impreza, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, Mazda RX8 and so on. Even the off road cars such as the Toyota Land Cruser or the Mitsubishi Pajaro (Showgun) kick arse out of other countries off road cars.

In the UK there are just as many Japanese cars as there are European cars but almost no American cars. Ford cars in Europe are different than the ones made in the US. Different models and maker (BMW I belive make European ford cars now.)

I'm not saying that American cars are shit but what I am saying is that they are not as good as Japanese cars or many European cars overall.

Yakumo

 

Its all a matter of preference; muscle or rice

 

Well put Kyuusaku

Yakumo

 

My friend just sold her Uncle's 4Runner with 495,000 miles on it (yes, the comma is in the right place). It's pretty well known that Japanese cars outlast the competition.

Similar to the UK, there are obviously more Japanese cars than anything, followed in a distant second by the Europeans (Merc, Beamer) and a handful of American cars for no other reason than they look cool w/ the steering wheel on the wrong side.

In terms of speed versus reliability... give me reliability any day of the week. What does speed give you? Tickets, wrecks, in some cases death.... what does reliability give you? No surprises, a car with a super-high resale value, and not stuck w/ a car in the shop.

 

Not to incite more flame or argue more but I own a Saturn. A 1991 SL1 sedan. I got the car for free but I had to fix it up in order for it to run. I so far put in about $1,728 into it and all it needs is to get the rack and pinion and CV joints looked at to see if they need replacing (the steering wheel shakes if I go 50mph and up, and it needs new tires). Other than that, the car is in great condition, both inside and outside and engine wise. It has new parts in it. to completely finish the car, the A/C needs to be charged, new radio, and new windshield (no cracks, just creates glare when driving at night). That's probably another $1,000 right there. When all of that gets done, the car will practicaly be new/excellent condition and comparable to a new honda civic or toyota corolla.

What i'm trying to say is that the life of the car illustrates the care the owner put into it. Like that land Cruiser you mentioned that has 495k miles and still runs. thats because its owners took care of it. I know people with old american cars they had since the 80s, with almost the same amount of miles and it still runs and gets them from point a to point B. My car has almost 200,000 miles in it and runs better than the same age/model cars with lower miles. take care of it and it will be with you for a long time.

 

My old 91 Ford Explorer is at 295 000 KM and still truckin right along side my wifes 87 Ford/Merc Tracer that just wont quit. So far I guess I have been lucky with domestics and havent had to buy a new car in a loooong while. :smt023 Wait now I probably just jinksed my self..crap :smt009

 

Just to let you all know. I am saving up money for a new car. A much younger car with hardly any history unlike the one I have now. The current car I have will probably last me 2 years at its current condition. What I mean by that, the major parts that are all brand new that were put in the last year should be good for the next 2-3 years.