What's worse, Unadvertised Online Pass or On Disc DLC

and it will be epic.

 

You have to remember, you don't own the contains of the disc. You are licensed the game. You own the box, the manual, and the disc, but not the game it's self. The game makers would make it a big deal that your breaking your license if you hacked the game for the DLC. I'm not saying that I agree with this, I'm new to this DLC. I just got a computer game and found out to get better weapons, armor, ext, you have to pay for them. I said fuck you, I'm not paying more then I already did.

=hugh

 

Indeed. What gets me is that when purchasing disc based software you don't actually agree to anything untill you hand over the cash and even then you don't know what it is you've agreed to untill you open the packaging. There just seems to be an assumption that the user knows what they're getting into, which I guess gets back to the OPs main point. This is unlike someting such as a firmware update where usually you have to agree to a user licence agreement before you actually download and install the software.

 

Perhaps the best thing to do about this is write the EFF first?

 

Why the hell would the EFF care about this? They're more about freedom of speech and unregulated Internet than some Angry Joe shit.

 

The EFF fights to get phones Jailbroken so this would fit under that umbrella.

 

I don't understand what all the fuss is about regarding 'On Disc DLC'. You pay for the game with a certain amount of options and extra's (which are advertised online and/or on the packaging), but because there are some extra files on the disc (which were not advertised to be included!) and suddenly it's a rip-off? If there was no DLC option, perhaps that content would never have been available? Or perhaps the developer hired some extra people to take care of the extra content, and to earn this additional investment back they make this content paid?

Come on, if you download a XBLA trial game you actually download the FULL game but with a trial license. So once you unlock the game, you in essence get the same product you already got, but now without the trial restrictions. The market is changing and no one is forcing you to play the damn game and/or to buy the additional (On Disc) DLC. Some developers charge for additional content, while others give it for free.

 

There's a difference, downloading the trial of a digital product we pretty much know from the get go what we're getting, a locked full version of a game we can try and if we like, can purchase.

With on Disc DLC, we are paying for something we already paid for have in our hands and by all rights should have free access to but we don't always know what the full version is...something might be hidden we'll be tricked into paying for again down the line that we by right have free access to. It's Unethical to force somebody to pay for something 2,3 or 4 times.

 

Companies like Capcom will finish an entire game, strip back features and charge you for them later down the line. Street Fighter X Tekken was the worst offender, that game was literally complete before it was even shipped, everything is on the disc and they still haven't unlocked everything. If you want everything that's on the disc you'll end up paying double the price of a retail game. That's not providing DLC, imo that's just milking the customer for money. That's where the line gets drawn, Namco's DLC for Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is free, quite a difference in strategy and I feel a lot more satisfied as a customer.

 

As far as I am aware, the law in the UK regarding this is pretty much 'you can modify it yourself and it's legal, but you can't use someone else's modification nor supply the modifications to anyone else.' Never tested that law, though.

 

Also with a boxed product you know what your getting. Only because someone found certain items hidden on the disc, doesn't mean it's public knowledge straight away. So the only reason most people are upset about 'On Disc DLC' is because they read somewhere on the internet that the content is already is on the disc, and 'buuu huuuu' people get upset.

 

Tecmo can sue you though, it's in their consumer agreement at the start of every game. Even getting into the file directory is apparently sue-able :/

 

Before on disc DLC, hidden content may never have seen official release. At least now there's a chance.
Should we sue Advance Wars Days of Ruin users who use Action Replay to play their legit original cart in Japanese?

 

So, if they take the "on disc dlc" and just remove it, then make it an optional day 1 download - will you be happy?

what difference does it make if its on the disc or not? Dont get me wrong, the comment above about intentionally removing content to sell as an extra I am against. But additional content that just happens to be on the disc? really dont care.

Online pass is far more evil. If you sell on your copy - there is still only 1 copy of the game using the online service - which was PAID FOR by the original transaction.

By locking out the online part, they are basically double dipping.

 

That is like me putting a sign on my lawn saying if step on it you owe me a million dollars. I can put there and can sue you but it doesn't mean I'll get it enforced by the courts.

Speaking of the Action Replay... That brings up a good point. One could argue that precedent has already been set by such devices that allow you to do things that were never intended by the manufacturer. Just because they have made things more difficult now doesn't change that.

 

On disc dlc is to me far worse, I agree online passes are stupid too ( surley the level of piracy on current gen stuff cannot be as bad as it was back in the copy floppy era or the ps1 , with the exception the r4 etc). I can understand for pc as it is far easier for anyone to do, but consoles these days are far more difficult. Anyone remember how many Xbox 360's got bricked when Microsoft caught on to everybody flashing them? On disc dlc in my opinion is something that should have been an unlockable since day one.

EA is by far the worse for this sought of thing. Not just.on disc, but dlc in general. battlefeild weapon unlocking was a personal fave, bye bye fair multiplayer games! And there was another one too, i can't remember what it was but they had in game items etc that were ludicrously priced!

As much as i love current gen gaming, it won't be long untill the collectors are going to struggle. Will we really pay more for a "complete game" if the dlc hasn't been scratched off or used, even if the servers no longer exist? You bet someone will!

 

It's really got nothing to do with piracy and everything to do with the games industry hating used game sales right now. But hey, at least you don't have to buy a completely new game to get a pass unlike with PC games!

Meh, don't see much of a difference between that and paying extra for a Saturn game that has the registration card. The actual DLC you can just download from somewhere after the service dies.

 

Exactly right, but apparently it's possible for them. Why do you think they get extremely pissed off at people making "nude" hacks for Dead or Alive games?