WTB: Blue Playstation Debugging System

looking for this baby so I can play my PAL and JPN originals without swap discs (ruins the music in CDDA games like MegamanX3 and EWJ2) and mod chips (had bad luck with them)

if not for sale, what is the best price I should expect an unit to carry (the last time I saw one on ebay, I think it was 200US) Is that right? Thanks

 

Are you interested in a green one? It is 'better' than a blue one, as it uses a regular retail power supply, has all the outputs, and a serial port and parallel port. It, of course, plays "backups", as well as originals from all regions.

And of course, I have one available, PM me if you're interested/want pictures!

I think I'm right in saying that green ones are better, any other opinions?

 

The green PSX is not better than the blue, merely different.

And if you want to post something for sale Smithy you must post a price.

-hl718

 

I wasn't really posting it for general sale, more letting him know I had one available (I PM'd him the price I wanted for it). I might actually put it up for sale later with its own thread... if I feel like it =)

Didn't mean to sidestep the rules, sorry.

 

From what I remember if your just using it to play imports then there is no difference just a preference of colour. (That is unless you get the rocking horse that is a early early grey one, but then they properly all broke by now)

 

does anyone know, if I was to play an original PAL game on a NTSC TV, does this green unit change the TV signal? Thanks

 

Nope. The game would be running at 50Hz and you would not get color - unless you use RGB.

The reason is that all the Debugging Stations are based on the PU-8 motherboards (or PU-7 in the very first DTL-H100x revisions) . These motherboards have a bandpass filter the color signal which is set to 3.58 MHz in DTL-H1200 and DTL-H1201 (green NTSC) and 4.43 MHz in DTL-H1202 (green PAL). The color signal for a PAL game in a green NTSC debugger will be filtered out, and the game will be running in B&W (at 50Hz).

CF

 

would component cables work? my tv doesnt have scart ports. is there any other way? thx

 

Yes, Sony make an official component cable to use with the PS2. It works with the PSX / PSone. Because this is RGB you should get full colour too.

 

What's usually termed "component" (ie, what the PS2 component cable provides) is not RGB. Can someone else confirm that a PS2 component cable works on a PSX? Seems unlikely the PSX would support component anyway.

 

Yea, there is a difference between componenet and RGB... I don't think the PSX supports componenet cables, but someone prove me wrong =/

 

Thinking about it, my PS2 BIOS has a switch in it for RGB/YPbPr, so it must use the same wires for both. A PSX would just put RGB over those wires, so if I'm right it would be down to whether his TV could take RGB over a component connection. I have no idea whether that's common or not.

 

What? You can't put RGB over component lines because RGB requires a separate composite sync signal; Playstation solely output "RGBS"!

 

Oh, fair point.

 

You very well can put RGB over a three line cable if it is RGsB (sync-on-green).

You don't need RGBHV or RGBS to properly carry what's known as an RGB signal.

Just because the PSone doesn't do RGsB doesn't mean "you can't put RGB over component lines." The sync signal does not have to be separate.

-hl718

 

*ahem* you can't put "RGBS" over three lines If you're going to count sync-on-green, then component video is a valid 3-wire transmission of bastardized RGB...

 

RGsB is different than component video. Component is more akin to S-Video than RGB in its makeup.

RGsB is just like RGBS with the exception of the location of the sync info. Moving sync is easy.

-hl718

 

? I never said they were the same but both *ARE* RGB and both are transmitted on three wires.

The luminance in component is actually the sum of R, G, and B components w/ "composite" style setup, the active video components are derived linearly from RGB. That's *nothing* like S-video which has the same components (colorburst in back porch, QAM chrominance subcarrier) as composite video, just on different wires just to preserve 3.58Mhz luminance detail.

 

I'm getting confused, so I just tried it. The components dont work for either the big or little PSone. Is there another way?

 

The only way is to build/buy a RGB->component transcoder (which is feasible without proprietary parts.)