XBOX 360 to NOT be backwards compatible!!

good point. but i think there might be a lot of other people who do care about doing those things...

 

i'm not olding anything about the xbox, i must admit that it's the console out of my two other ones that i care the less, but i'm well aware that it's not because it doesn't apeal me as much as the other that it won't apeal as much to the others, and that is called a personnal taste and i respect people with tastes different of mine. What i'm holding about though is people with a pretty big and particular love for one competitor that change itself into hate at the other competitors, something that looks like fanboyism sometimes. And i'll quote myself for this one: ''Fanboyism is like the blindness of love, and love is sometimes closer to hate than you think, or it drives to it anyway.''

c'mon paulo , hug ninty and sony.(wich i said with an xbox in my arms.)

oh and as for the question you asked at the beginning, it respond to what i've said: you're missing my point, please read the post ground zero made and what follows (a second time maybe). i'm not saying that microsoft will loose, he just said retro compatibility, while good, was bellow new cool things. i said the two at the same time's the best. And it doesn't seems like im the only one who thinks those new and cool things on xbox360 you talked about earlier aren't really new, neither really cool. (asssembler seems to be on my side for this, as an exemple)

 

Im not saying you have to like it or that it has to appeal to you. However alot of people are holding something against it but not holding that same thing against the other two consoles. e.g. people saying the 360 was still big and bulky havent come out and said the ps3 is. Or the revolution might charge for downloads of games while buying halo 2 again is microsoft trying to milk it.

Ive already said the nintendo interest me specialy if it does come out with something new however just as i dont like the idea of paying for xbox games on the 360 i aint going to on the revolution.

Im not missing your point. One ive answered your question about not seeing anything new on the 360.

Two ive told you that you saying the 360 and the PS3 have no new things and that the revolution has BOTH a new thing and retro is a totaly meaningless thing to say. You dont know if they have anything new on the revolution! I so far have seen newer and more interesting things on the PS3 and the 360!

 

i totally agree with you there, and never said the oposite, in fact i said that i hope it is true. but i very doubt they won't do something never done before, because that's all they're bidding on. and you just have to watch the ds (wich you don't really like, i know) to understand they want to change the way you play games. i don't know how big and revolutioning it will be, but it will be for sure.

 

As i said i hope it wont be this backwards compatability or something along the lines of the DS.

I just dont see what they can do to make it such a revolution now that we have seen the console...

I do hope its something good and fun though. As i said im intersted in buying the console.

 

Guys read the site again:

MS needs to stop all this flip flopping and tell us what the fuck is going on. This will be the sole factor for me getting a 360 close to launch.

 

Sooo if we dont got to rebuy them.......whats so bad....?

 

They updated the site with MS's comment man. That's why I said guys read the site again....

 

Bad move Microsoft, backwards compatibilty guarentees you keep some of your customer base, you know, the loyal fans and all.

This tells me two things:

1) The company (Microsoft) is being a cheap-ass and is making you buy all new stuff all over again, thus they don't give a shit about brand name loyalty and just want to make as much money as possible. Don't tell me they can't make it backwards compatible when my PC can run games from twenty years ago without a hitch. If thier main competition can make something as powerful as a PS2 as small as a PSP, then the technology exists to integrate backwards compatibility in the Xbox 360. Of course they can make it backwards compatible if they devoted the time and resources. But they're not becasue they're bitches.

2) I may be able to Ebay my Xbox in the comming years and get a decent price for it. Since there's no compatibilty then there should be some demand for XBoxes in the future. Suddenly I don't feel so bad about waiting so long to get one. Just looking on the bright side.

 

Ok whats static recompilation. Cause I heard thats what they may be doing.

 

If we are to believethat update from their PR man it will be backwards compatible with the goal of the entire Library. Now I wonder how that is going to go down. Perhaps they can just make some kind of wrapper that will translate all the old Nvidia calls and x86 calls into ATI and POWER. They both use DirectX to some extent anyways right?

 

Static Recompilation is the usage of the source code designed for one system on another system with a different architecture.
It means you use the original program but it's manually translated so it runs on a different box.
Which is pretty much something like manual emulation, I guess. It's an emulation technique, anyway.

 

Quote below from majornelson.com

Ok, let’s stop this right now. There is some serious wrong information
floating around, so I need to clear this up. I grabbed my favorite PR
dudes, and they are saying what I was telling a few of you in email:

“We’re not sure where this came from, and is incorrect. At launch, Xbox
360 will be backward compatible with the top Xbox games. Our goal is to
have every Xbox game work on Xbox 360. You will NOT need to purchase a
new ‘version’ — your original games will work on Xbox 360.â€￾

 

How about this;

Games do need to be recompiled but are offered for free download if you have the original game in the DVD drive?

 

Cool thanks. So is that what the Bleemcast guys did or do you need the source for static recompilation?

 

Indeed. But WHYYYY OH WHYYY did Wing Commander 3 have to be the only Western game to be incompatible with the PS2? WHY??? :smt009 :smt022

 

Well, that depends on how loosely one defines the terms "static" and "recompilation". Bleem (probably) did not use it though, it either emulated the MIPS etc. on the fly or used a limited form of dynamic recompilation. Static recompilation technically doesn't need the source code, but it's quite hard to do in a stabile fashion without it.

 

Microsoft is TRYING to bring backwards compatibility, if they cannot achieve it at launch they will likely provide it in the future depending on the actual demand for it, you can't hold that against them. It's not an easy task if you didn't know... If Microsoft finds that there's no money in it, why are they obligated to bring it? You of all guys know that Microsoft is a business. Before you start bashing a console wait until it's released, for all we know the system's BIOS, dashboard and firmware could be in system programmable for future upgrades.

 

With the clarification of their whole recomplie bit, isn't this topic's original point moot? It will have backwards compatible they say, but to what extent we do not know.