Xbox One Linux Project

Is the Xbox One Linux Project, or whatever name they give to the successor of Free60, out and about? I can't seem to find very much information on those guys.

 

Lately with the evolution of android and the TONS of devices that are cheaper than an Xbox One, there isn't much incentive to run linux on the thing. There wasn't even much motivation to do it for the 360 either.

 

It's not about incentive; it's a hobby.

 

Not really, when the xbox was around - it was cheap for the power you are getting. Nowadays as mentioned above - its not really worth the time. And its only going to be used for piracy anyway.

 

I'm sure your first sentence is right, but I'm willing to wager my first-born that your second sentence is bullshit.

 

Which sentences are you refering to?

It would probably turn for the worst but so long as MS can ban/destroy anything that is not a legit XBOX One on XBL it will only be hardcore loners that will want to pirate games on it. This entire gen in about sharing and social gaming so whole lot of loss from not having network facilities.

 

"It's not really worth the time..." and "It's only going to be used for piracy..."
It's not worth the time is just unenlightened. Linux is the most flexible operating system ever made, and like JFK, they choose to go to the final frontier, not because it is easy, but because it's hard. For just about every piece of computer hardware I can think of, Linux is or has been on it.

"It's only going to be used for piracy..." is a hasty assumption. I'm not talking about rebooters, or xbox360iso. The only thing I mentioned in this thread was Linux on Xbox One. There is virtually nothing pirated for Linux because most Linux developers develop open source. Saying that "it's only going to be used for piracy" is irrelevant and retarded given the context of the thread.

A yes or no is all I was looking for. If no, then why? I appreciate Bad_Ad84 for saying why in the first part of his post. If yes, then where? Can anyone here back up their comments with sources from the free60 team?

 

How about you look at the team who hacked the PS3, Wii and the Wii U and see what their opinions are.

If you can run homebrew code (i.e. linux), you have bypassed the security of the console. Piracy soon follows, which is why the teams who do the work have stopped.

Edit:
As proven by your other thread you cant internet, here is a link:
https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2013/espresso.html

 

The reason that linux was running on the 360 was to show case the HV bug in the 4532 kernel, by using king kong to execute the exploit.

 

Sounds interesting to me, Linux on a Xbox one (don't have one yet) but the 2 reasons I don't see it coming quickly are both "Piracy" and
"Why? a Linux media center board already with equal power(read Horsepower and/or power consumption)/equal price/equal functionality/lower price or combination of two or more already exists"

(I hope my English is ok, it just doesn't read right yet)

 

Isn't the X1 hardware similar or the same to PC?

 

The effort involved becomes harder each generation while the consequences for seeing those efforts through becomes more and more severe.

PS3 hacking was really the breaking point. Houses were raided, major court cases were held, Sony got hacked to pieces and PSN was brought down with it for a couple months...

Xbox modding was popular in it's day because it was a very cheap, TV-friendly (SD or HD in 2005) alternative to a traditional x86 PC as mentioned by Bad_Ad84. PSP hacking was also pretty impressive as there was nothing else quite like it before.

At this point, you can find quad-core Xeon workstations or powerful i7 configs for roughly the same price as a new XONE. Not to mention PS4 and XONE are strictly HDMI-only in a world of many DVI/VGA-only TVs that PCs of a much more capable nature have no problem connecting with.

With that said, XONE will eventually be hacked to run Linux, BSD, and probably a wealth of emulators being x86 based and all but it will be time-consuming and the hackers will encounter many legal problems along the way that prevents fully-detailed information from being disclosed (at least until it is discontinued, aka 2021 or so). The Xbox 360 scene was a good example of this: Many good hacking tools were shown off publicly but were otherwise hard to obtain unless you knew a select few people. Either way, it would be cool to watch cable and play Starfox at the same time.

 

Back in the Xbox Classic days the majority of people probably didn't have an internet connected device connected to the TV, or even any sort of device capable of playing video files, mp3's or viewing images. I remember back in the day very few DVD players would even play Divx or Xvid, and ones that did were extremely expensive.

That's what made a hacked Xbox running XBMC so appealing, especially once the console got cheaper and could be hacked by simply running an exploitable game.

When it comes down to it hacked 360's were mainly used for piracy, we had a few people who did some emulators and thats about it. A hacked 360 was power hungry, loud and complicated to hack compared to loading an exploitable game, plus by this time we had cheap Nettop PC's which were silent, can run Linux better than any hacked 360 and could be purchased for around £100. Fast forward to today and we have even cheaper devices that can run Linux such as the raspberry pi, all these Android set-top box's and even pretty good x86 stuff like the Intel NUC.

Do i want the Xbox One to be hacked? of course, i think it will be pretty interesting, especially as its running a cut-down version of Windows 8... we might just see some pretty cool stuff, however like with the 360 i honestly think it it will be mainly used for piracy and people hosting hacked lobbies for Call of Duty.

 

HDMI capture box? Count me in.

 

Until this I believed homebrewers were eager to break console security and pirate away. I didn't expect them to be this noble. In select gaming circles people will deride you if you say you stole something physical, but not so for getting illegal copies of games.

 

I have to agree with the points made in this thread. When I bought my original XBox, I waited whilst the shop put in a mod chip, as I'd seen MAME on a mate's XBox and it was incredible. I already had MAME on my PC, but with an XBox I could play it on my TV, and the XBox's joypad worked with everything on the XBox, whereas back then getting some things to work on a PC with a joypad was problematic.

And later on more emulators and even homebrew ports of some games (such as Doom 1 and 2, Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, Alien vs. Predator, etc) were released for the hacked XBox, plus of course XBMC was a *fantastic* media player. All in all, a modded XBox was a fantastic media player and emulation station.

But now, I have a relatively cheap laptop plugged into my TV, with an XBox 360 joypad, and (of course) it does everything a PC will do, so I don't need a modded console to do those things anymore. So there was never any incentive for me to get my PS3 or XBox 360 modded, and if or when I buy a PS4 or XBox then I won't be getting them modded (unless something unforseen happens that raises a modded current generation console over a PC in some respect).

All that said, I do still play some emulators on the original XBox, as they work just as well as the PC ones, and it's very marginally more convenient to load the emulator and load the game from an XBox, but if I didnt have the XBox, then I'd just use the laptop for the emulators, as I already do for viewing movie files, since the original XBox can't play high definition files (the only fault XBMC has is that it can't play HD files, since the XBox is too slow).

 

I disagree with a lot of what has been said in this thread. The security enthusiasts that actually get code execution on a console virtually never do it because they want to 'run linux' or 'play pirated games'. It's simply a challenge that some of us find fun and interesting.

At that, the entry level for vulnerability research and exploit development gets harder year after year with game consoles and the iPhone being arguably the most secure off the shelf products you can find. There's some incredibly smart people on the security teams behind them, with millions of dollars poured into making sure these things are rock solid.

It takes a lot more experience, time, work, and resources than it used to.

-Doom

 

I know next to nothing on iPhones. Weren't those hacked long ago? Are you saying that the scene is dwindling because corporations are upping the ante?

 

I hope I conveyed properly that this was my point, e.g. "it's a hobby." My recognition of success when I JTAG'd my first box was booting a live CD from Xell, for others, it was XeXMenu, etc. Linux is the destination for me, but the journey's all I care about.

 

In short, yes. And those capable of defeating their systems are growing few and far between as the technical knowledge and time needed to find vulnerabilities and exploit them increases greatly with each generation.

-Doom