XboxONE: Serious issue regarding the game installation?

I've read that you will need to install the game on the hard drive, no problem. I've also read that you will not require the disc after you install it, that's cool too. But what's stopping someone from purchasing a new game, installing it, then returning it for a refund? Companies will have to install some kind of rule where there are no refunds at all. I don't understand man, I DON'T UNDERSTAND!

EDIT: They just released a statement saying this:

SOURCE: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

 

Pretty sure it was stated that the new owner of the disc has to install it, & when this happens it will stop the game from working and/or uninstall it from the original installers Xbox automatically. It is still a good question though, if the disc was returned and remained un-purchased for whatever period of time, would it remain operable for that whole span? I doubt it. I am sure it will have some setup where you have to insert the disc before starting it, as the 360 already does with installed titles. Or it will just ask you to insert the disc after a day or two maybe. Who knows, but they won't overlook it.

 

Most retailers won't refund opened games, they will only exchange them, in which case the "defective" copy would go back to the manufacturer.

But if this did happen, then the new owner wouldn't be able to install it, they would have to pay the "used game purchase fee" (i.e. repurchase the game again) when they put the disc in the system.

 

Well that wouldn't even matter if you read the second part of my post that you quoted where I said, "I am sure it will have some setup where you have to insert the disc before starting it, as the 360 already does." That would end that problem right there. If it doesn't though, they will devise something. There is no "serious issue" regarding the installation. Not to say that what we have heard of the new Xbox is any good.

We just have to see how the used purchase fee will even work out to see if chain retailers will even buy back games or how that market will turn out.

 

Though the only thing that bothered me is me reading that you won't need the disc after installation, which is where the "second installation fee" comes in. Though I'm sure it's probably what you said at the start, where they have it disabled on one console if it's taken on another.

EDIT:

Yup, you won't need the disc for it after you install it. LOL

 

But I'm not so sure they'll necessarily do that. I think the entire point of paying a "used games fee" is so that Microsoft can sell more titles without having to do anything. You can buy the game, install the game with your disc, input the license code that is in the case, and then hand the disc to your friend who can pay the fee and install it on his, too. Ownership of the game won't really be tied to possessing the disc itself, instead the valuable part with be the license code that comes inside the case. Once you've used the license code, the disc is worthless unless you need to reinstall the game, just like a PC game.

 

maybe that will put the system in place that in order to remove the installed game you will require "the" disc that was used for installation. if you no longer have "the" disc you won't be able to remove the game to make room for other game.
also with some sort of DRM once "the" disc was used for installing game until the installed game is remove no one will be able to install from "the" disc again.

 

Microsoft really need to clarify the used game system...I mean we have 4 xbox 360s in our house and we share games (me and my three sons) how would it work for us? Buying 4 copy's of every game isn't going to happen so looks like we will be getting a ps4 each or staying with the 360s.

 

I was wondering this too... If you are forced to install from disc, and can only install once, why bother with discs at all?

I guess MS doesn't have much faith in their digital distribution infrastructure, or else it would be download only
Or they heard clamor over early "downloadable games only" rumor and came up with this non-solution just to shut up a vocal minority
Or maybe game shops pressured them somehow (but who could pressure MS? Walmart?)
Can they make more profit from selling discs somehow?
This can't placate the secondary market (i.e. GameStop) because used discs are basically worthless...

In this case "download only" games would be better. People kinda understand that if they download something (music, movies, software, etc), they don't necessarily own it, but might have just purchased a license to it, but we haven't made that leap for physical media yet.

 

Well, they're going Blu-ray this go-round, meaning that games could be up to 25GB or more. Not everyone has that kind of bandwidth and it certainly won't be fast. My guess is that they will still sell games online, but you can get them on discs at stores as well. Dropping physical media could be a dangerous move.

 

the games will be tied to an xbox account, so you will need the same account on all four consoles. You also can have more than one person signed into an account at a time.

 

I already miss the days were you insert game, Press power, Play game.

 

How would that work? So technically me and all my friends/brothers/kids could share the same account and just install the game to all our systems and fuck Microsoft up the ass? 0.o

 

... but not at the same time.

 

500GB HDD for 10-25Gb games is laughable anyway.

 

Specially when you can't upgrade the internal HDD. 1TB should be the minimum. There's USB ports, yes, but's that not practical. It's already a big box.

I wonder what will happen if the HDD fails, since the whole "game registration" is tied to the user ID and console.

 

tied to both ID and Console? i thought it was just ID eg if you log in with your profile on another persons console you can still play the games tied to your ID

but yeah with a box that big 500gb is a bit... erm... small but i expect it's so they can sell upgraded versions later down the line.

and if we're installing our games to a usb hdd connected to the system will that usb hdd need to be some form of xbox specific file system? meaning we can't use it for anything else?

 

Has it been issued what sort of media size Microsoft has for Blu ray? I'd imagine since Sony owns it they have the bigger memory discs for the PS4. No?

 

Sony does not "own Blu-ray". They are one member of the Blu-ray Association. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association

 

I don't know why I just assumed Sony was the majority owner my bad. I just googled the memory of the discs I can't seem to find anything stating the size Microsoft is using for the Xbox One. If its going to be say 25-50gb and they HAVE to be installed on the Xbox One to run surely that 500gb hard drive is going to fill up pretty fast? Good job externals are getting cheaper these days.