America Changed today

I really don't get this Palin Mania. She's just 44 and in my humble opinion, it's not even that good looking.

Plus, in all interviews she looked dumb. And then all that repetitive talk about hockey moms. Tina Fey was perfect making fun of her. Amy Poehler was hilarious as Hillary and Kate Couric.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2gE-VVjBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDqSvJ6aHc

Plus the woman don't believe and global warming. Or as Tina Fey said, " I think it's just God huging us closer"

Plus the "Average Joe" thing. C'mon, is this way the Republican Party do politics?!

Just watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnSS0dEv-RQ

PS: Sorry for the rant.

Anyway, i really liked watching Jon Stewart and Bill Maher showing how dumb she was on the whole campaign.

 

Well if you're a core republican voter Palin was just what you wanted.

Church Going, invokes him above at every opportunity
Very much into guns / hunting
Against Abortion
Doesn't believe in Global Warming, so pro cars, pro oil industry, pro SUVs etc.
Pro "Winning" the Iraq War
Anti Gay/Gay Marriage

Pushes all the right buttons. Does seem worse than Dan Quayle though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E - To be honest kind of hoped she'd win for 4 years of top comedy.

 

Well, maybe YOU would like that since you live in New Zealand. I, on the other hand, would be slamming my temple against the corner of my desk.

 

Every new mistake of a country begins with the thinking, that a new ruler will make everything better.

 

It's fucking hard to get worse than Bush.

 

Last two post election episodes of The Daily Show really sucked, all I'm saying.

Selfish, me?

 

Other than being a terrible speaker what was SOOOOOOO bad about Bush that would make him worse than say Jimmy Carter?

No matter what Michael Moore tells you, you can't be an evil mastermind and a bumbling idiot at the same time.

Al-Qaeda is wounded to the point that there hasn't been an attack on USA soil since 911. Saddam Hussein was captured and killed along with his sons and many high ranking members of al-Qaeda. Unless Obama toally screws it up a victory in Iraq is also a given at this point. That is a victory many said was impossible. yes he could have been diplomatic about it and involved more countries but who cares the job is just about done. On the down side people who bought houses they could not afford are losing them. In part thanks to the Clinton plan to pressure banks into giving them the loans in the first place.

As I said before I'll take a wait and see approach with Obama but it doesn't look good. Having a Democratic house and senate he will have no one to blame if things don't go well. I'm a bit leary of the "share the wealth" talk and his comments on how the constitution limits what he wants to do. When the Bush tax breaks expire in 2010 and Obama "raises taxes" by not renewing them (as he said he won't) it shall be interesting to see what happens.

 

Buyatari, see unmoderated thread.

 

what? this is a political thread started by ASSEMbler himself. i think it's ok for Buyatari to post here. You were just bashing Bush a couple of posts earlier. Is that not political? :shrug:

 

The attack should have never happened in the first place. You think Bush is the reason why the government panicked and security tightened? Why does Bush personally deserve any credit?

Hussein had nothing to do with anything related to the attacks on 9/11. The US government used excuses, lies, and the fears of the US people - to go to war and have him removed. Yeah, their plan to put in a US friendly government in place so they could have more leverage in the region. Just like old US tatics. Only the dolts didn't have the damn foresight to see that Iraq was a mixing pot of social explosives and was only held together by the tyranny of Saddam. Instead, they created a huge power vacuum in the region and it's sucking down US money like nobodies business.

Funny that. Bush being a republican and Clinton was more of a conservative than he ever was.

 

I think he means he posted something for him in that thread to avoid closing this one.

 

None of things really matter. If Bush was a able to pull off the feel good movie of the year speach instead of falling all overhimself everytime he speaks his ratings would be double what they are now. The American people are shallow and image is very important.

As for the war don't fool yourself that the American people care. It doesn't matter why we went to war only that we win. There was a lot of bad press when the war in Iraq was going poorly. It wasn't because people cared about cost or lives or wanted to avoid war. It was because it looked like America might lose. You don't see the bad press that you used to see everyday now that it looks like they might actually pull this thing off. For Americans it is never about right and wrong but win or lose. Vietnam is not an eyesore for for how it was entered but how it was left. Win or lose it was that simple. If anything that says more about the people than it does the president.

I'm not saying Bush is the best but he changed the face of the world for the positive. Very poor speaker which is how most people see him but his rating will increase over time after he leaves office. He won't go down as the worst ever.

 

Well the only President more rotten than Bush Jr is LBJ who had Kennedy killed....

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Allegedly.

Bush Jr fatally wounded Americas place in the world, people no longer think about the US as being the world's leading super power. That could be good or bad. It's similar to 1945 when the British Empire was finished.

It should be remembered that the 9/11 attacks were economic attacks. On the World Trade Center, pretty straight forward. The intention was to wound the US economy. Job done. The US government has borrowed so much each US family is 440,000 dollars in debt, there's no way to repay that. The banking system has collapsed. The US stock market continues to fall. Bin Laden must be belly laughing in a cave somewhere.

All on Bush Jrs watch.

Brought down an empire with 19 people and a few box cutters. This banking collapse didn't come from thin air, it was every predictable. Eye was taken off the ball. It's the economy dumdum.

The war on terror could have all been done on the cheap.

 

First ? I guess that was the second time... 1993...

Anyway, the problem is the american foreign policy. They attacked Iraq on a so-called "Weapons of Mass Destruction Threat" and what they found? Nothing. Ohhh, they captured Saddam Hussein!!! Yeah, old, sick and injured, hidden on a hole. What a great accomplishment.

They simply run over UN and NATO, because they thought it was the right thing to do. That's not how you gather respect. People aren't stupid, the oil was their objective. And like Vietnam, they entered on a wasp nest.

And them, people wonder why terrorist and other crazy people hate the US?!?!

PS: What about Osama Bin Laden, the man that really attacked US?

This video (from Michael Moore films) somewhat explain it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbjr_cPS9_A
PS: I know, it's Michael Moore, but the meaning is there.

 

In time most Americans won't care why Iraq was invaded. Did we win or did we lose? That is all that matters to them.

It is true many countries dislike the lack of respect the US has for foreign opionions. However, for the most part those countries just sat back and let it happen because they know in times of need the US is the first place they will turn to.

As for Bin Laden, he hasn't done anything since 911 but stay on the run and see his organization fall from beneath his feet. When he does fall it will be like Saddam. How did you put it? "old, sick and injured, hidden on a hole."

 

That's one of the least persuasive defences of the recent Iraq war that I've ever read.

 

It's the only way they can reach out to the stupids of America. Andrew Jackson was the father of today's political ads and fights.

 

In an ignorant world, only few countries stand up.
And only a few countries act.
The U.S. is such a country, maybe the only one.
But when this country acts, suddenly all others stand up and rail against it.
It is an ignorant world.
The U.S. captured Hussein, for ex.
Germany delivered chemical weapons to him.
Not a good action.

 

The US very famously armed Saddam too.

 

I like this one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b37A7K1Tvg&NR=1 Whole of US politics works by fear. Hope is an improvement.

The FBI say there's no hard evidence linking Bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks. It's why 9/11 isn't mentioned on his FBI wanted poster.