Anyone out there familiar with Konami System 573?

If you're looking to play the game on a TV, you need a Supergun. Those can be found on eBay if you want to buy one, hook the board right up and let it play away...

If you're looking for the part to build one, you need a JAMMA harness. It hooks up the the long Jamma edge connector...like this:

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Most of those wires get hooked to things....and then you have a Supergun...or it gets hooked into an arcade cabinet.

Summation: Jamma PCBs are games. They're played in cabinets or via superguns. System 453 is a Jamma PCB.

You need a Supergun or a cabinet in order to play them. And well, if you want help with that, we can give you all sorts of good links and help.

 

I appreciate the assistance and clarification. I did look at a connection board that seemed to suggest that it would allow me to hook up a JAMMA PCB to a TV via SCART - it was relatively cheap (homemade by a guy in Edinburgh, so fairly local). I would prefer VGA actually as I eventually intend to build a homemade cabinet as I am trying to find a System 245 / 246 (Sony PS2 style).

This is it: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Arcade-supergun-motherboard-for-jamma-classics_W0QQitemZ250106794288QQihZ015QQcategoryZ575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This is what I originally assumed I needed and you appear to have confirmed that it is, however the seller suggested it would not work. Is he perhaps unfamiliar with the System 573 and therefore it would work? Any ideas or do different arcade manufacturers use slightly different pin outs for their connections? One of those annoying standards that turns out to be varied?

 

It's posible it would not work since it would not ouput enough power. If you want a good jamma->SCAT i sudgest checking neo-geo.com/forums as quite often someone sells a converter.

If you wish to go VGA. You could posibly just build one via a Jamma Cable, ATX PC Powersuply (would give the proper voltage) and maybe an old neo geo cable. You esentualy would wire the jamma harness for input & power. Then you can plug the monitor into the JVS port and set the game to 31hz display (many do this for running Atomiswave on vga).

My only main consern is input on this game. Did it use a custom input device or just standard jamma input.

 

If by input you mean the user controls for the gaming title, I have no idea as the seller didn't appear to have ever tested the title beyond getting a video / audio signal. I think the main reason for selling it was his disinterest in the game (I must admit horse racing...hmm?)

The best information I could find about the controllers was here: http://www.mameworld.net/maws/romset/darkhleg

It mentions 6 buttons.

Although I've not done a huge amount of searching, I've not found the title cab, so not even seen the original set up.

You say about plugging the monitor into JVS? Okay, that means using some kind of convertor yeah? Dumb question perhaps, but I am not sure what type of signal is output via JVS. As I say, this is like having never seen a car before and suddenly realising I need to know the various component parts and functions of the combustion engine! OH:

I'm pretty familiar with all the other stuff, just not the Jamma and JVS so that is what I'll now go and start learning about.

I'll definately have a look at the site you mentioned and start with a bit more reading on arcade cabs. My interest is sparked!

All those days of my youth spent playing arcades and I never gave the internals a moments thought. h:

 

http://www.coin.demon.co.uk/jamma.htm

We should have posted this earlier. That's the Jamma Pinout. That'll help you understand things a whole lot better, I bet.

With regards to games staying standard...

Jamma supports a joystick, 3 gameplay buttons and a start button for 2 players.

Lots of games...support straight JAMMA as they need 3 or less buttons.

Some games don't use JAMMA at all...as they have some sort of goofy controls...(steering wheels, fishing rods, etc).

Some games use JAMMA+. JAMMA+ is a blanket term used for games that use JAMMA+ some other buttons connected through some other way.

Some (Neo Geo for example) add an extra button via an unused spot in the jamma harness...

...while others...Street Fighter 2 for example...uses another wiring harness that connects directly into the game PCB and goes to the extra buttons. The blanket term for these extra harnesses is "Kick harness," coming from the fact that the extra buttons in SF2 are used for Kick buttons.

As for that device on eBay...the only reason I could think of as to why it wouldn't work would be, as subbie suggested, that it doesn't have enough power.

But let me try to sum up what you should probably know.

In an arcade machine, a game PCB is connected via the edge connector on a JAMMA harness. From the JAMMA harness, the game PCB is connected to POWER, the MONITOR, SPEAKER, and PLAYER CONTROLS.

A Supergun replaces the power, monitor, speaker and controls of the game cabinet. We take a JAMMA harness...and connect it to substitutes for the components of an arcade cabinet. We use your TV for a Monitor, a PC or Arcade power supply for power, an external speaker or your TV for sound and a console or homebuilt joystick for controls. Put that all in a package, and you have a Supergun.

Don't be too offended if you already knew all of the stuff in the last two paragraphs...Just want to add it on in case it isn't clear.

Hopefully this answered some of your questions.

 

I'm not sure if 573 will output a 31khz video signal, so you might have to get an arcade monitor that can sync to either 15 or 31khz. They are available, but generally more expensive. I think some of the generic cabinets ( like the megalo ) will support both too.

smf

 

I'll reply more thoroughly later on, but the monitor I saw in the test images were a standard VGA type, so hopefully it'll be okay!

Back later with thanks etc! Just doing a pile of work and need to get back to it.

 

Hey sorry, I should have been more clear ealier.

The long PCB pin strip on the left is Jamma. It is setup to provide input, power and video as mention above.

The ports on the right are JVS (aka Jamma 2). The key difference in JVS is ports are now sperated and not combined into one port. JVS uses the VGA standard for video output at 31Hz. This is what I ment by plugging in a VGA monitor. Input is via a USB connector but nobody has really figured out how JVS uses the USB port for communications (would be wicked if someone could develope a controller). The last thing is the power connector.

It' should be posible to hack a controller setup and power supply with a Jamma Cable, an ATX power supply and a Neo Geo Controller. You can then get video output via the VGA port on the system (make sure to flip the right dip swich to 31hz video).

 

What monitor was it? I have a "vga" monitor that can sync down to 15khz. I know people who run a 15khz monitor off their "vga" port.

I really don't think 31khz is a requirement for JVS, just the VGA pinout. You can run 15khz over a VGA port. Naomi for instance has a dip switch to select between the two, depending on what type of monitor you have.

JVS only uses a USB connector, it doesn't use the USB protocol. So while the connectors will fit, you can't do anything interesting unless you convert the signals. It's much slower/simpler than USB.

smf

 

Smf, not sure what monitor it was. I could email and ask, if he will answer - you know what eBay is like for after care ;-) Whilst I am at it I could also ask him whether he used any specific Supergun or not. Did someone mention that one of the 573 dipswitches might change the setting for 15 / 31KHz?

 

Why is everyone suggesting that he try to run it through VGA, when he could pretty easily do a SCART supergun? He's in Europe, remember? His TV will take the RGB off the Edge connector. Why go to the trouble of finding a PC monitor that can do 15khz when he has one right in his living room?

In addition to that, only newer arcade boards output VGA. Sure, it might be good for Naomi, Atomiswave, or System 573...but the majority of boards won't do VGA. It would be nice if he had something he could use with other boards.

On top of that...why suggest using the JVS at all when most boards just have a JAMMA connector anyway? Everybody already knows how JAMMA works.

SCART Supergun, from JAMMA To the TV = Easiest Solution

 

Thats' my fault I'm afraid not the other posters as I was thinking of building a cabinet for this and another couple of arcade units I am intending to purchase in the next year or two. Hence me asking whether I could use this unit with VGA.

 

Sure he can do that but I was getting the hint that he was more interested in getting this up and going and not looking for a full on supergun. If he wants a full on supergun I more recomend buying one already well built.

I personaly sudgest JVS for video over Jamma is because 31khz > 15khz in most games. Its a hugely welcome improvement and most new age games were heavly ment for 31Khz with 15khz more being there for compatibility with older arcade cabinets. As well he does not need to go looking crazy for a compatible monitor since most standard CRT should be sufficent enough for the signal.

Correct 31khz is not a requirement of JVS. Actualy most JVS cabinets are built with monitors to accept 15khz, 24khz (not widly used i believe) & 31khz. Prior to JVS cabs only did 15khz or 24khz.

Actualy quite a few Universal JVS cabs included a pretty cool Jamma to JVS board so you can still run old jamma boards in the cabinet.

As for USB, I know it's not USB standards or protocall. Just the generic pin out and cables. What I was saying is I wish someone would figure it out so usb controllers could posible be rewired (and chips added in) so somone interested in new age arcade games can just build a JVS setup (input via usb, modified ATX psu, and a VGA monitor).

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound angry or anything...I don't claim to be an all knowing expert in this area...I honestly did think something was off, and I want nothing more than to see Parris get this working easily and quickly.

I somehow forgot that System 573 would output 31Khz...and thought that you were suggesting that he use a PC monitor...which confused me a whole ton...as most CRTs won't take 15Khz...meaning he'd have to find one of those "crazy" ones.

My mistake. You are correct.

Hooking up a VGA cable to the VGA port and wiring power to JAMMA edge seems like a perfect way to test it. Shame though that nobody can figure out the JVS i/o though. I imagine a setup using all JVS connectors would look very neat as opposed to a big old JAMMA harness with lots of wires heading everywhere.

So, Parris, you can use most standard VGA monitors with this board...as well as with many other "new age" games, as subbie mentioned...but...and I think this part is important...older boards won't work. Most of my favorites are JAMMA only and Standard Res...but if you intend to build a cabinet to use this and other modern systems...you'd be fine using a PC CRT.

 

:thumbsup:

It's all good. I've actualy been an arcade fan for quite some time and bought my first cab about 6 years back (japanese capcom impress candy cab). I've also gone a little nuts at times and bought too many pcb.

 

For as young as I am, I have a lot of experience as well. My dad is a pretty major coin-op collector...since...1995 or so...lots of games have passed through my family's house...

We had a Street Fighter 2: CE cabinet for several years...and I cut my teeth figuring out basic stuff like how JAMMA works...what goes into a cabinet...building kick harnesses, etc...

No cabinets now though...Just my homebuilt supergun and some boards...I'm looking for a nice cocktail project for myself though...Something cheap and not working so I can learn more about fixing them. (I very badly want to learn the quasi-dangerous art of monitor repair.)

 

Hehe *here goes school yard fighting*

I also got into arcades because of my dad. My dad use to manage a bowling ally when I was young (from when i was born till around 6-7ish). He mentions we use to have a arcade cabinet at home but I can't remember that far back. What I do remember is total grabbing the keys saturday morning before the place open and playing tons of frogger or operation wolf. Man that was a blast.

I got back into arcades my senior year of high school by buying my first cabinet. I'm actualy only 24 so I too am young.

If my gf would let me, right now I would totaly love to own a stand up crazy taxi cabinet & a stand up pole position (sadly i hear they are a total bitch to maintain).

:dance:

Minor note. I think my love of arcades is why I love dreamcast so much (i'm a huge naomi fan). To me, Arcades > Handhelds > Consoles.

 

Im only 18, and ive got my Playchoice 10, Neo Geo, and a converted MVC cabinet, on top of the San Francisco Rush sitdown that is just about 100% working. Ive got a Soul Calibur cabinet too, but the monitor was crap (could probably fix it, but wouldnt be cheap), and the board itself was crap, and who knows about the speakers. Powersupply came in useful, and I got the artwork out of it, so for 30 bucks, it was worth it hah.

 

\(^o^)/

I got my arcade cabinet back and setup again in my apartment.

i know kind of OT but I just wanted to mention that.

 

Awesome! A week from Thursday is my last final, then its back to playing arcade machines at my house again