Best Video from SNES/NES/SATURN/N64/GENESIS SCART to COMPONENT?

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  1. Deka

    Deka Rising Member

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    Hey,

    I saw this on a youtube video recently and I was interested.
    http://www.amazon.com/SPECIALTY-AV-...enesis/dp/B004XSSDPO/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

    Its much less expensive then some of the other solutions.

    So here is my question.
    I have all USA (NTSC) based systems.
    Can I buy SCART Cables w/ Audio out and connect them to this box and then Component out?
    Is there a box that can do the same with with HDMI instead?

    I have PS1/PS2-Slim/SNES/NES/SATURN/N64/GENESIS (model 1 and 2)+SEGA CD (Don't have the tower of power I'm afraid).
    My DC has the Hanzo box and I have that connected to a VGA+Audio to HDMI UPscaler and it looks good.

    My receiver does have a Faroudja Upscaler built in.

    The other reason I have to have a box between my retro consoles is that the receiver has a hard time with weak signals like the N64 and Genesis.
    So putting something in between fixes that.

    I know you guys have been doing this a lot longer than I have so I hope you can pass your words of wisdom to me.

    Thanks,
    Deka
     
  2. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

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    I have a cheap SCART to HDMI adapter, and it does an adequate job, better than composite. If you want the best quality, you want on of the XRGB Mini's that Yakumo is selling.
     
  3. Fandangos

    Fandangos <B>Site Supporter 2013</B>

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    Hey Deka, I used to own that adapter you posted and gave it to L_Oliveira as a xmas gift :))

    I got a new one from JS Technology and I was surprised there wasn't much different to be honest. But it's a huge difference from composite.
    Just remember that the one you posted doesn't carry out.
     
  4. Deka

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    Borman,
    The Framemeister looks awesome. Just a little too pricey for me now.
     
  5. Deka

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    Fandangos,

    Does what I'm writing about make sense?
    I mean the SNES (And all other consoles) that are NTSC and getting the PAL cable and connecting it to get the component out?

    What do you mean "doesn't carry out"?
     
  6. Fandangos

    Fandangos <B>Site Supporter 2013</B>

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    I mean there's no audio output, you will have to make a new hole on the box to get the audio from the scart pins.

    When you get audio and video via SCART it will be RGB, RGB doesn't care for NTSC or PAL, so any console will work as long as it has RGB output.
     
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    Zombie250 <B>Site Supporter 2013</B><BR><B>Site Supporter 20

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    I say get the XRGB Mini for sure. I bought one from SolarisJapan because they had an out of box special for cheaper than what Yakumo was asking. Sadly none are left. But Yakumo's prices are solid.
     
  8. Greg2600

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    I have that exact SCART to Component converter, it works fine. You need a breakout adapter though to get the audio out of it. They sell them cheap from the UK. The only issue is that many modern TV's will not like the component video at 240P What kind of TV are you planning to use?
     
  9. Deka

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    Hi Greg2600,

    I'm planning on using a Panasonic PTAE700 Projector as a display.
    (Yes, its overkill, but this is one of my few luxuries in my life)
     
  10. Deka

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    In terms of connections, do I just buy the NTSC SCART cables and I'm good to go with no modding?

    I know the N64 I have to do some modding, and I'm comfortable with that.

    But for all the other consoles, is it as simple as Get SCART cable, connect it to (xrgb-mini or other box) and then to my receiver?
    No modding for the other stuff right?

    What is the difference in video between the two. I'm going from Component now (Yuck!) so anything is better at that point.
    But how much better is the xrgb-mini vs the other one?

    Like is it say 50% there or 10% or whatever?
     
  11. Greg2600

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    Okay. Ha ha. You could be okay. If it doesn't work, you could try the SCART to HDMI adapters that cost like $60. Only prob. is they automatically stretch to 720p 16:9. So if you hate that, maybe that project has a mode that forces 4:3 video.

    As for the SCART cables, you're actually buying EURO SCART not "NTSC" SCART. Japanese NTSC SCART has a different pin alignment, you don't want those. The SCART cables on Ebay are all EURO actually. XRGB boxes need JAP SCART, so you need a converter from EURO to JAP.

    N64 needs modding, but Genesis, SMS, Saturn, Dreamcast, SNES, PS1, PS2 should not.
     
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    xrgbs are still very pricey for some, which is why im using a 8220 vga converter with diy scart > cga/vga adapter and sync stripper.

    no way i can justify xrgb prices at the min. still in the process of butting it together (waiting on a resistor to arrive) but it should work well for what im after i dont need it to do hdmi

    there is also the option to use a scart block to pull the audio from which is what i do on my CRT TV i have a scart block that has RCA out's for audio and comp video i just use the RCA left and right to going to my DVD player (which is also 5.1 system) this means no holes need to be put in anything
    this is what im talking about:
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-Way-Swi...ion_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4600828a0d

    so you're console scart cables go to this then one cable goes to the converter or xrgb then the audio cables go from the scart block to wherever(your av receiver, speakers or tv)
     
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    I agree, the XRGB devices are a bit too expensive for most, even for me. Even used the XRGB Mini is too expensive. But I wanted it, and the video is nice.

    I also have a generic SCART RGB to YUV converter, but my SNES and Super Famicom don't work on it. I get a flickering screen... Like the connection is bad and the video cuts out constantly.
     
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    I own the projector he's talking about, he said PTAE700 but I believe it's missing a zero, PTAE7000.
    It does have a 4:3 mode and I believe this may help him.

    The scart to hdmi solution is the best if you don't want to waste too much money but I would also recommend the xrgb mini.
     
  15. Greg2600

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    Yeah SCART to HDMI is probably the best especially if that has 4:3 forced mode on the HDMI input. Like I said, the component one may work fine, but you never know. I had a LOT of issues with it and my stupid Sony LCD. I recently got a use DVDO iScan VP30 and am getting cables for that. He will need to breakout the audio though as I said.

    My advice is to get the rectangular boxed HDMI upscaler, because the square ones I don't believe are as good.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/ON-SALE-New...=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3f24a033be
     
  16. Deka

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    No, its really old, its the PTAE700U model.
    http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-AE700U.htm
     
  17. Deka

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    Hi,

    You guys (and gals) have been great!

    If I want Scanlines, I need the XRGB-Mini, a bunch of Europe SCART Cables for each system, A (PAL->NTSC) SCART Adapter, (and a Breakout box for the sound?)
    If I skip the Scanlines, I can just use the SCART to HDMI adapter (I don't need a breakout box for sound), correct?

    The Switched SCART adapter is sweet, I figured someone made something like that.

    One question though, I thought the whole point of SCART was that you had audio and video built in. I guess the Japanese must use different pinouts?
     
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    Audio is part of the SCART Japanese-RGB connectors, but that SCART-Component box you linked doesn't break out the audio lines. It only has RCA jacks on it for Y/Pb/Pr.
     
  19. Deka

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    If I use the SCART Switching box I'd be good then?
     
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    Oh, also sorry about all the SCART questions, we don't use this in the USA so I'm just reading up on it now.
     
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