English Aero Fighters 3 Home Cart

Maybe a few got out so to speak (but still was not released properly). I think maybe it shouldn't be added to master lists as released title if cannot be proven game reached shops for sale.

 

But that would negate some of the thunder. How very dare you!

I do agree though if the list is for released games only then further info would be required.

But the list is for released and unreleased games (per the blurb at the top), so this would more be a case of where it sits within the list (imo). Not that it matters jack to me, nor do I have any say.

A more important (to me*) reason for finding out whether it was ever released or not, aside from just simply wanting to know, is with regards to what now consitutes a full set. As you know there are many different versions of what a full set of games for a console entails, so I imagine there are a few neo collectors shitting bricks right now lol.

(*Although that said, for me as you know, I go with as wide a definition of a fullset as poss, so this would be included in my definition regardless..not that I give a toss about US homecarts other than knowing of their existence.)

Edit - I also await further examples coming out of the woodwork. Not all neo fans / collectors surf a certain forum....

 

Since Adol saw it back in the day in a store and has mention it for so long, I would consider it a released game. Its just one that is as rare as Euro Kizuna or even more. Good job Tonk.


JS

 

They demand, yet they don't provide
I wouldn't say all neogeo collectors are full of shit, it's just a few members at ng.com that seem to have an unhealthy attitude towards NGF.
As you pointed out, those same 5 people will always DEMAND proof (which chris and I have provided for years) of everything we say, yet those same people will never show their proof or give details. But it's not a big deal. NGF has shown photos, videos, and has even been declared by Playmore and US Federal Court to be official and authorized, but those same 5 people still live in denial. As I said, it's not a big deal to Chris or myself.

These guys have been the most vocal and the 5 biggest scammers in the neogeo scene.

The Fraudulent Five
1. Mike Dicioccio
2. Billy Pitt
3. John Thacker
4. Mikhail Kiselgof
5. DavidG (may not be his real name)

BEWARE!!!
AVOID THESE 5 PEOPLE AT ALL TIMES!!


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<<With today's technology, it is very easy to forge documents and even receipts claiming "a lost stock" of Kizuna Encounter (or any other cartridge) was found.>>


English CD manuals are used
Our thoughts are that the forger has used the English CDs to make the manuals for AeroFighters 3 and Pulstar. Which is an easy format to follow and provides wording, layout, epilogue, contents, and graphics. It makes it all very easy. The rest is done with tweaking wording to match the AES cartridge system.


Contact the 3 big names: Chris, Dion, Shawn
The other strange aspect is.... how or why was mike/tonk the person that was contacted? If anyone was to have been contacted, it would have been Chris, myself, or shawn. I would even think shawn would have been contacted first because he has the neogeo.com site. You guys can decide for yourself, but Chris and me made our conclusions on the english AeroFighters 3 and Pulstar years ago when we first saw them.

 

To me, it did.
And i told it 12-13 years ago. Don't you remember the Shawn campaign, rewarding $500 or so just for a pic of it? Back in early 2000s?

If you take my word, then yes, it did reach shops.

 

I do not question your word, but instead how it reached the shop. I think Sega Mega Drive Tetris was not released officially but some reached shops still, some got out anyway. I think this game could be just like that.

Dion, you are saying it is fake? I think in the past you said you had list of all games/NGH numbers and stuff. So I ask, do you have this game on any list or saw it on any (whether it was said to be released, or planned to be or anything)?

 

Being an Amiga user for years I heard rumors of the Neo-Geo community being far worse, lol @ the hate in this thread. Its just games

 

Segments of any community hold things set in stone for them. A particular ideology and opinions they deem sacred, refusing to accept all facts to the contrary.

As far as I'm concerned SNK is the final ultimate authority for Neo-Geo release info before their bankruptcy. If an item exists some former employee or contact with the company must know.

 

We have a list of games and their product NGH number, but the list doesn't state variable language releases.


NGF doesn't have a horse in this race, so I'm able to speak without bias.
As for the AeroFighters 3 being fake, that is the opinion of Chris and myself based on the copies we had received long ago, and that is why we never mentioned it. We have seen amazing copies of English Pulstar, Turfmaster, Metal Slug, Metal Slug 2, Metal Slug X, Ninja Masters, KoF2000, and even japanese reproductions of Blazing Star, Metal Slug, and Quiz Chibi(but those are beside the point).

Printing technology has vastly improved and has gotten much more affordable. That is why we now see so many "rare" games being sold daily on ebay and why more people are now making homemade inserts for their mvs collection.


I'm not crying foul. I'm just sharing my opinion.
Everyone else should reach their own conclusion and decide for themselves.
If you want to belive it's authentic, that's up to you.
If you want to think it's fan made, that's also up to you.

 

It's not how many photos you provide, it's what those photos show.

I fail to understand why you refuse to post a pic of the cover which would be the most telling of all. It may not "prove" much, but it would certainly show that you aren't taking shots of an official CD manual wouldn't it?

You initially presented these pics as, "no big deal" and insinuated that they were AES manuals.

Yet when you provide pics, you take different shots than the ones we can compare them to.

 

REGION GAME LIST
According to SNKPlaymore, AeroFighters 3 is a Japanese only release.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050208171535/http://www.snkplaymore.jp/information/en_press15.html

Item #04. Aero Fighters 3 - Japanese only

Since SNKPlaymore is the current copyright holder, their words should be taken as 100% validation.

 

Unfortunately, as you well know, when a company goes through multiple reorganizations and financial problems, documents and information tend to go out the door along with employees. As such, what SNKPlaymore has to say about this matter is pretty irrelevant unless they have documents from that time that either shows it was or wasn't done. I don't even think TonK is claiming it was a regular release. Instead, it was some type of test pressing or pre-release for marketing/sales purposes. Heck, I would even be highly dubious of a former employee who claimed to have knowledge as people's memories fade within a few short years and I have spoken to more than one former SNK employee that simply got the facts jumbled up on things all of us agree to be true release wise. Ultimately, without firm documentation either way, this will likely remain a mystery for years to come.

 

I hate the shit out of Dion, but for once, I actually side with him on this one. Why can't the dude who sold the cart for $30,000 produce any solid proof of his own? Sounds like he might have knowingly sold a reproduction and doesn't want to get in hot water

 

Perhaps because regardless of how "solid" the proof is, people would be crying "fake" regardless, until a whole team of the NG forum's trusted community members investigate it? (Trust me, I went through this with Satellaview info.)

I've been lurking the thread on Neo-Geo.com's forums and waiting for the report from that Geddon guy. I'm at least under fair reason to believe that a third party wouldn't have any reason to get in on a scam, so...

 

I love the fact that the dude sold one copy in an airport.

So if I understand well, there is at least four copies of this game (since adol saw one yeaaaars ago) ?

And I also love the ng.com topic with the guy saying aaaaaall along things like "he was bullshiting me" :nerd:

PS: do you guys think the "source" might have a batch of kizuna and U11 ?

 

Provenance is the key
It seems that everyone is now using the word provenance and how important it is to know origins and ownership of high dollar rare games.
When NGF first mentioned (spring of 2011) that the KoF2000 Authentication program's key feature is a Certificate of Ownership title with history of ownership provenance, people didn't know what we were talking about and questioned it. Verifying ownership history is something that is a must for such big and important purchases (same as when buying a car, home, etc...)


KoF20000 Authentication Program- Dec 2011
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?36690-KoF2000-Verification

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<< Certificates, Holographs, and Title Registry
Upon valid authentication, we issue a Certificate of Authenticity, a Certificate of Ownership (titled with the owners name), and issue 4 special Holographic serial number stickers (#001-#100) to the Certificate, cartridge, insert, and manual (all numbers matching). The owners name is registered in the NGF archives for posterity, reference, and historical provenance ownership of each cartridge. >>


All in all, it's up to the buyers of any item to figure out if they want to spend the money and/or do their due diligence.
People should not beat up on mike/tonk for his find. He's just the messenger and shared his find.
He believes it's real and others think it's fake/fan made. If people want more information, just ask him.

I still think the future of all high dollar games is going to be everyone asking "who was the previous owner?" "Who was the owner before the previous owner?" etc... (just as they do with collector cars). And that is why the KOF2000 english edition is the first video game to utilize the CoO title and ownership provenance history registry.

 

That makes sense in a way, but it's also really sad. It's a video game... Not even a prototype or beta of some unreleased game. It's a commercially available game, easily found by anyone with internet access even. KoF 2000 is far from some gem.

 

Maybe. It's not very different than paying more for PAL T-Mek over NTSC. Or NTSC Sonic SMS over PAL. And so on. Those too (among other games) are primarily aesthetic decisions with the identical game data.

At least Super Metroid US or JPN type cases of same content, still have cartridge shape affecting normal compatibility.

 

You'll all notice Dion can ONLY write posts in a format that looks like a press release complete with bolded headers.

I don't trust used cars salesmen for the same reason.

 

For anyone who might still be interested in reading about the validity of this, Geddon's analysis is getitng into details about the contents;

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showt...-Discovered!&p=3326506&viewfull=1#post3326506

I tend to find it an interesting read if only for the useful information about how release formats are handled and whatnot.