English Aero Fighters 3 Home Cart

Could someone please sum up what happened to that AF3 cart and how it was found out to be a fake, because I'm not going to read 100+ pages at the neogeo forums.

 

More like tonguing lol.

Authorised and official are two VERY different things. Even to a lay person (let alone one versed in law...).

And cunthole's isn't? I mean Dion's?

Source claims to have worked for SNK. Came up with some very dubious explanations of his role there...apparently designed one of the MVS chips (lol) in the US (although may now have conveniently worked for SNK in Japan too.....). Shot down somewhat by a few people who seem to have shown the chap doesn't actually know what he's talking about (even a Wiki read would have helped apparently, it's that bad). A confirmed ex SNK employee member also thinks the source is talking crap.

More outlandish claims..24 US KoF2K run to come Jan 2013, with another 'release' to follow, limited to two units only. And these after the more recent Power Spikes II US and Euro variants he sold. (What a shit game btw.)

In terms of AF3, a Euro buyer has come out claiming he has noted numerous inconsistencies in the printing / graphics on the insert. Some bits rasta not vector, or the other way, and many more. Pics to come I believe.

And lots of drama. Who bought what and when and for how much. Where's Waldo, Tonk I mean. Gold tbfh.

 

DavidG/TonK/other longstanding members of the neogeo community all collaborated in the sale of AE3 english carts (the number now being thrown around is SIX, not three) for undisclosed sums (assumed to be in the multiple tens of thousands). Some buyers actually flew out and shook hands with the David guy to purchas their carts in europe(?). Other respected NeoGeo community members threw their weight around at the time to support the sales as being 100% for sure authentic.


A big analysis and comparison was done of the materials used on the carts compared to official SNK releases of the time. The main differences boil down to:

- Materials appear to have been rasterized prior to print, implying it came from a scan, rather than being printed from vectorized source material

- Materials appear to have been digitally printed, SNK components of the time were professionally printed using offset printing which provides cleaner lines and more accurate color reproduction

- The sticker on the carts has inconsistency with the gloss and texture of stickers SNK was using at the time, the AE3 stickers are shinier than carts of the time and are nice and glossy without inconsistency, stickers of the time had a sort of bubbly texture appearance, hard to describe but go look at his photos

- Manual materials also lack alot of definition which leads most people to agree they were probably assembled from scans (likely from the CD release?) rather than actual original printings by SNK

basically all signs point to the carts having been assembled recently rather than being old stock from SNK, likely with just the japanese boards inside.

Noone has been willing to open their cart and check the boards, frankly, Geddon should do it. He is keeping his cart and not asking for a refund (why?) and stepped down from the NG forum. If he is going to keep his likely fraud cart, the least he could do is pop it open and answer the question once and for all, seeing the actual pcb's inside would probably be the final nail in the coffin on this case.


Also there was some loose speculation that the NGDevTeam was involved since they had business dealing with DavidG involving the purchase of old stock NeoGeo snap boxes. DevTeam is denying involvement, but who knows.

Basically the Neo Geo scene is a huge disgrace all around, everyone who was considered trustworthy and reliable has turned out to be part of a huge snake in the grass conspiracy to push fake goods into the market for huge profit.

 

The game has been opened and the PCBs inside are 100% SNK official boards, with 100% SNK official ROMs, and the whole thing is machine soldered.

Assuming these games are indeed fake, that means that whoever made this game (DavidG) used either blank or used SNK PCBs and original ROM chips and found a machine to machine solder them. After talking with multiple experts about PCBs, nobody has been able to explain to me how this can actually be done using used boards or Roms. No fake Neo Geo game before has ever had machine soldered ROMs on SNK factory boards.

Just like Power Spikes 2... also was factory soldered, using 100% original SNK boards and 100% original chips.
However, Power Spikes 2 uses an entirely different board revision than Aero Fighters 3.
That means whoever made these games would have to have perfected this machine soldering process on 2 different board sets. Again, unprecedented before now.

But nevermind this type of discussion, nobody really wants to talk about this kind of stuff, the drama and finger pointing is much more entertaining...

 

Best proof ever
Actually that's a great point to further prove that everything we do and sell is 100% official and authorized.

By default, no one is allowed to sell anything that would be infringe on a copyright or be considered counterfeit.
NGF and Playmore reached a settlement and as part of that agreement, we are prohibited from selling anything
that would be considered counterfeit or infringing. Great point. So all items we do sell, have sold, and will sell is
extra added assurance to everyone that our items are official, licensed, and authorized.

Thanks for helping explain and prove that all items from NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA are official and authorized by snk, playmore, and US Federal Court.

 

where are the photos of the revealed pcb's? last I heard they werent opened by anyone

I'm not super familiar with NeoGeo pcb's etc, but is there certainty its not just the sonic wings board or whatever?

 

I don't know that they have ever been posted. The game was opened by one of the owners after my initial report was posted.
I have the photos on my computer at home, if you want to see them I could email them to you. If I post them publicly people will just say "I'm part of the scam" and "I'm just trying to prove that the fake game is legit," right?

 

I'd be happy to receive them, steve@brulesrules.com

I think the biggest 'what the fuck are you guys doing' of this whole thing is that we aren't even talking about unreleased, undumped games, we're talking about games that exist in other regions with a new sticker on them.

 

Dion is only posting here because he thought he could come back to neo-geo.com as some kind of savior only to laughed off the forums yet again.

To those of you who would read his posts and think

"o well, what a nice guy, look at all these magical snk rarez, surely the legion of neo-geo forum users must be talking out of their asses, NGF is the best <3 luv u guys, keep posting meaningless shwag pics of a system I neither own games for nor give 2 shits about."

That's fine. Those of you who are riding Dion's junk clearly have no stake in the neo geo or its community. If you did you would take two seconds to read up on these d-bags hijinks.

Geddon_Jt is a respected and long time member of the neo community. Dion is simply taking this opportunity to trash the users on the top of his shit list.

THESE ASSHATS GOT SUED BY SNK AFTER 1 (READ ONE SINGLE FIRST AND LAST) RELEASE

I'm sure SNK had no clue what they were doing when they had Dion's games confiscated and dragged their asses to court. They got lucky as the court proceedings lasted into SNK's transition to SNK-P at which point Playmore no longer gave a shit about MVS or NGH and settled up SNK's past dealings.

Get some orignal SNK home carts, and compared them to NGF's holo-stickered, photo-shopped home made inserts and then come back with an informed opinion. I could post email exchanged and chat logs (from this summer) of Dion acting like a complete douche but that horse has been beaten, died and buried.

Cue PDF's of NGF's court documents:

 

Indeed. Dion has 250 odd posts. 200 of which say the same 5 things over and over again. Such a fucking bore.

Thing is..there aren't even that many Neo Geo fans on this board (that I know of). Just a lot of goodwill among members, which Dion trades off to the max when peddling his lies.

 

At this point I'm not convinced. I'd trust SNK first naturally. Even NGF before the $30,000 seller.

 

literally noone here is riding Dion's dick duder, NGF is a clusterfuck, I'm not a fan, but like I said, atleast Dion's stuff he sells has some sort of papertrail, not random carts that appeared out of nowhere for $30,000 a pop

 

honestly, this has little to do with NGF - if anything. Even Dion admits they have no horse in this race.

This is about an organized counterfeiting scam that geddon, for what-ever-reason, is defending. That TonK - who, might i add, very strongly defended as being real in his usual fashion - has disappeared and deleted his facebook/twitter accounts. I dont think i need to say more about that. Where is TonK now to proudly and loudly convince people the carts are real? Oh yeah, he bailed and the buyers are out large sums of money. Thats right, TonK - the same guy who would aggressively go after scammers decided to disappear. Incidently TonK got a nice $5000 middleman cut for his part in selling the AF3 cart - he was even stupid enough to post a picture of the cash on his twitter account.

And finally Billy Pitt - who is so delusional or just stupid, that still believes the carts are real.

Notice - that geddon wont answer any of the concerns people have but always falls back on the 'factory soldered' PCBs argument. DavidG's 'Reveal' was supposed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the carts were real based on what TonK had mentioned in his initial AF3 release. He claimed that DavidG worked for SNK and that the thing he will show us would 'blow us away' and he was 100% convinced these were not fake carts.

When the reveal came people knew instantly that something fishy was going on. Then a little background checking and information for credible people who HAVE worked at SNK - shows that there was never anyone at SNK by the name of DavidG. So again, why did this charade of a 'real discovery' go on for months and was shot down as fraud in a matter of minutes with some damning evidence against DavidG? This is a scam, pure and simple.

Note, i havent even talked about the cart yet either. There are many issues with the cart itself that raises red flags. Geddons 'report' ignored all of them.

One other important piece of information that geddon chooses to ignore is that - DavidG wanted to release US KOF2000 but TonK had talked him out of it in favor of AF3. Read that again. DavidG wanted to release US KOF2000 but TonK had talked him out of it in favor of AF3. So DavidGs next move was to unload 24 KOF2000 US carts in January 2013. This information was confirmed by Shawn (neo-geo.com owner)

geddon is trying to deflect this to be about NGF, when they had nothing to do with it.

 

Ok, firstly just because someone doesnt agree with what your saying doesn't immediately mean they are on the other persons side, i dont know Dion, i have never met him, never bought or sold anything with him and i have done no business with anyone in the Neo Geo community as i dont believe its worth the money or the hassle to get involved (as this little fiasco proves yet again!), I have an MVS cab and a few (what i believe are) original carts and a multi cart - im quite happy with that, i do collect games and consoles but not to the point of obsession which it seems most neo geo fans do, now I have actually read through alot of the neo geo forums and quite frankly its hilarious the amount of people who hate Dion to this day over some video games he sold them years ago, i mean its actually pathetic how much they still go on about it but hey thats another forum im happy to avoid for those reasons, i go on forums to get knowledge and speak to people who are willing to help each other out, its one of the reasons I bother with forums, i love the sense of community it brings, dion has provided information here (whether you think its bullshit or not is irrelevant) and has NOT scammed as a member of this forum, until he does he has done nothing wrong


now dont get me wrong if someone has ripped somebody off then i am all for seeing them pay for their mistakes, nobody deserves to have their hard earned money taken from them whether it be stolen or a scam etc. however their are legal courses you take for these things and you do them sooner rather than later, however this completely seems to have escaped most of the people who are complaining about stuff that happened so many years ago, one guy was even saying that after 14 years (might be wrong) he still has loads of years left to bring a case against him? i mean seriously? again deluded people harboring a grudge that is so far past its sell by date its turned to dust and fucked off, if a company does you wrong you report them and go through the proper channels to get it resolved, strangely neo geo fans seem to have skipped this part of life


If Dion did scam people and those people chose to do nothing about it then they are either


A) Lying
B) Overstating the facts (i.e. they aint telling the whole story)
C) Just plain stupid


so why did none of these people if they did report it to the authorities ever win? either NGF had very good lawyers (doubtful since i believe they defended themselves when they went to court with SNK) or either no one took them to court over their dealings other than SNK or they were in the right?


Now all the people that call Dion a liar, when the Aero Fighters 3 discovery came to light, Dion said and showed pictures stating that as far as he was aware it was not real, as usual everyone did the usual name calling etc but to be fair to him, he was right, now instead of saying "yeah ok he was correct" people then decide to have another pop at him saying he is getting his "1" chance to gloat


Now, people have also mentioned that Dion always does his replies in a certain way, bold titles etc. well just so you are aware, some people do actually do that, i work in a university and we have message boards for student tech support etc. and i can assure you that plenty of my students also structure their replies in this way, its strange but it actually makes it easier to read as its more formal, you dont have to do this of course but personally i dont see anything wrong with it and plenty of people do it


also the fact that he has been to court over this might make him skeptical about what he is and isn't allowed to write about, hence he would have more structured responses, anyone who has actually been to court (in a personal let alone a business matter) will know that you dont fuck about with them because they can do a hell of a lot more to you than you can to them if you breach any of the orders


oh and you said that your sure SNK had no idea what they were doing when they went to court and he got lucky, it happens all the time, well thats business and that's life, quite frankly if the company is that stupid its no wonder it went under, maybe SNK were actually in the wrong? (thats basically what the ruling said after all), NGF's Court documents would be appropriate here lol and yeah they may have had their asses dragged to court but i bet they fuckin moonwalked out with a grin the size of a half moon


i am not defending dion (although it probably looks that way lol) i am just really sick of hearing the same shit over and over, its out there, if people give a fuck they will find the neo geo forums and read it all (god help them) but my main point is that quite a few of the high ranking neo geo scene seem to now be involved in scamming people out of very large sums of cash, no matter what anyone says about NGF, a few re-soldered carts and some re-printed inserts in no way even compares to the shit they have tried to pull on people


thank you

 

Wrong.
We were never sued by SNK. It was playmore that made the error and had to admit to their mistake.

We did way more deals than just the KoF2000.
NeoGeoFreak was in business with snk from 1996 through 2001.

We took over wholesale distribution from snk-usa in 1998/1999. All games from that time one were all distributed to retailers through NeoGeoFreak (not snk).
Titles such as KoF99 and forward.

The KoF2000 was the first negotiated and world exclusive NGF branded release (snk agreed and placed our NGF backbox on the insert and manual.
5 more licensed releases were done after KoF2000. Bang Bead, Bust-a-Move, Diggerman, Irritating Maze, ZedBlade, and Zupapa.

We worked directly with snk from 1996-2001.
Snk called us when they were looking for a distributor to buy all their remaining stock.

 

now you see this is my point, is it really necessary? i already know how you feel about him but again its every opportunity, seriously i enjoy reading your posts but i feel you let yourself down with ones such as this

nah just making sure next time i go to vegas theirs a sofa i can sleep on for free!!!

 

CAN YALL TAKE THE NGF TALK TO SOMEWHERE ELSE JESUS CHRIST

 

Thank you Mystical.

The shit gets old, keep it relevant to the topic at hand. Which is NOT about Dion and NGF.

Though you'd be led by all the posts slinging teenage insults towards one another that it is, because people hold a grudge or whatever.


But it's not.

You don't like how he formats his posts?
You dont' like some of the stuff that has gone on in the past?
You don't like that he pointed out long ago that it could and likely be fake?

Well tough luck people, no one is FORCING you to reply to stuff he says, or ANYTHING.

There is always the mature route you know, if something doesn't tickle your fancy. You can just ignore it. Don't reply, leave it be and walk away.


But no one seems to remember that. Everyone is working on knee jerk reactions.(or in Dion's case: almost near formal knee jerk reactions) It doesn't help you, or anyone.

And until the situation is resolved(if ever), it seems like it'd be a smart thing to just simply keep bickering about it to a minimum unless new information comes to light.


When it does, feel free to post them. I'm sure everyone would like to know the outcome.

 

It's funny how the Neo community seems to be the only one that behaves like the storyline of a longlasting soap opera

- We have the bad guy, Dion. He got rich by allegedly making unethic business decisions.

- Then there's the supposedly good guys on NG.com, who apprently also make mistakes but we didn't know about that until season 13.

- Plenty of new characters appear from time to time, all of a sudden of course, to provide new insights on old issues

- Each character insults the one next to him (Dion: "These are the master scammers: Geddon,..."; Geddon: "The biggest scammers are: Dion,...")

- Everytime you turn it on, there's gonna be screaming and swearing ("YOU CUNT" "FAGGOT" "SCAMMER" "SCUM")

- Everyone seems to know everyone by first name.


And the worst of all which really proves that it's like a soap opera:
- Although I feel that I'm wasting my time reading this repetitive shit, I can't stop following it

 

Dion and I spoke and we are addressing the issues between us privately. Sorry about the drama everyone.