Finally There is a Prototype Retro VGS

Discussion in 'Industry News' started by LeHaM, Feb 11, 2016.

  1. MBMM

    MBMM Powered by Pied Piper

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    Well this is turning out to be a mess, isn't it? Totally didn't see this coming...
     
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  2. Venatus Usque

    Venatus Usque Site Supporter 2014, 2015

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    That's some serious slight of hand ... very sad ....very sad, indeed.
     
  3. PixelButts

    PixelButts Site Soldier

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    I did, but not in the way it's coming out to be.

    Though my next thought is what's the likelyhood that they browse the forums here and are just watching how this develops?
     
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  4. LeHaM

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    what do you mean?
     
  5. PixelButts

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    "Devs" of the retro vgs lurking this exact thread
     
  6. lemmywinks

    lemmywinks Spirited Member

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    So after all this time they still only have that hacked up old Jaguar shell to show for their efforts? Reminds me of Kevtris' comment from the original thread on Atariage:
    "You and your jag mold are like a mule with a spinning wheel. Damned if anyone knows how he got it, and damned if he knows how to use it."

    Pretty much sums these jokers up, they got the (adapted) molds for the Jag and thought everything after that would just fall into place. Can't believe they're still trying to dupe their target market with this junk, still at least it gives us something to laugh about.
     
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  7. mickcris

    mickcris Site Supporter 2014,2015

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    I doubt it. They are very aware of the thread on atariage though. That was where I originally posted those pics that LeHaM used in his video.
     
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  8. Yakumo

    Yakumo Pillar of the Community *****

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    You'd be surprised at just who from the industry is watching this thread. Of course these jokers are not in the industry unless you mean the scam industry. Seriously, how stupid do they think we are? We all know what a SNES cartridge port looks like and how the pins are laid out on the cart. These guys are pathetic! I could do a more believable bull shit job myself.
     
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  9. sonicsean89

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    Dosent this also count as piracy? its almost like the bought the rights to the name just so they could dress the snes up as somthing else. and other companys would not think its a snes in a new case.
    Its basicly one big piracy scam. anyone have their opinions on the matter?
     
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  11. BLUamnEsiac

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    Not exactly. They or anyone could put some board with any mix of SoC, RAM and flash to pull off SNES emulation. The issue is they have no real prototype and are trying to pass off an SNES as one. This could easily be classified as fraud, not copyright infringement.
     
  12. mickcris

    mickcris Site Supporter 2014,2015

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    Pat the NES Punk just released a video a few hours ago that shows most of the evidence. His viewers are probably more the target audience for this thing than the forums so glad they got the word out
     
  13. GoodTofuFriday

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    Been waiting for this video
     
  14. sonicsean89

    sonicsean89 Site Soldier

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    The more that I think about this system the more I can't find a market for it.

    Unless it gets actual exclusive games (which is pretty unlikely), most of the games they've announced are just SNES or Genesis games. All of which you can either buy or download (more than a few are old unreleased games that have been dumped and are now being sold as repros) to play on your SNES or Genesis and if you don't have one, you can get one still working off eBay for $20-30. If you want one console that will play them all, disregarding the option of emulation, the Retron 5 is an option, or you can hope the Retro Freak gets a Western release.

    Their biggest problem is that their target audience (people like us who are still into old consoles and get pissed off by seeing new games get released half finished (I just rented THPS5, and it sucks, even though it's better than it was at launch) and get a little nostalgic for our old game consoles) see right through all the BS they're spewing. We all noticed that they're packing in a cruddy Wii U controller that costs $25 on Amazon. We realized that all their pie in the sky ideas were unfeasible, and we all realized that slapping the Coleco name on the thing was a desperate nostalgia grab (and that Nintendo, Sega, and Atari wouldn't go for it so they settled for the one that isn't really a company anymore). And a lot of us do see the value in being able to patch games and give updates, because a fair number of indie games have done a really good job of keeping their games fresh in a manner that would be impossible on the Coleco VGS.
     
  15. 7Force

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    "Remember the Ouya? Well, what if we made that, except worse?"
     
  16. sonicsean89

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    Ok, not a double post, so I don't have to edit my last one. I found this interview with Mike Kennedy, the guy in charge (I think it was at the toy fair). http://www.seganerds.com/2016/02/18...y-on-the-coleco-chameleon-at-the-ny-toy-fair/ Incoming rant about the interview.

    First he goes back on bashing the former hardware guy (and by the way he was saying it, the only hardware guy) like in the other article I posted. Bashing him hard. Then he talks about how "Most people don't have a Sega Genesis". Which is technically true, there were like 42 million sold and there's 7 billion people on Earth, so yes, technically true. But he seems to ignore that the majority of his market already does have one (or can buy one for like $20). At least he admits that the licensing deal was just for nostalgia and to go with a product that doesn't have that name on it.

    Then he goes on this thing about how Unity and Gamemaker make games that are really big, like one he made was over 50MB. Yeah that's huge for a cart, but you know what could hold that easily? Literally any optical media. A freaking Laserdisc could hold that much. I mean, there are legitimate advantages to using optical media. Mainly the cost for size. CDs are practically free at this point and hold at least 500MB, probably 750.

    Also he says that they'll use flash for the cartridges, which means that they won't last forever, because flash memory doesn't. Optical media, when handled well, can last a long time, but the drives are pretty susceptible to failure (side eyes the Dreamcast).

    He also still swears that they're using an SNES FPGA and not just an SNES. Which doesn't make sense at all, since he said that using the SNES (and N64 and Gamecube) cable was "the easiest way to get composite out". No the easiest way would be to use a composite port, because you can get those easier, since I don't even know if they make those ports anymore. Also he ignored that the pictures show it's an SNES cart slot. I guess it'll be opened up next week for the Kickstarter.

    Also one kind of final point (I'm writing this massive ass post as I listen to the interview), what are the demographics for a game like Shovel Knight? Is it popular with younger kids who have been playing prettier platformers since they were born? He mentions Minecraft, but I know that it's really popular with kids because it's basically a massive sandbox where they can create whatever they like (which is cool, I'm not bashing it at all, it's a really neat thing).
     
  17. Yakumo

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    Mike Kennedy, spouting so much crap it's unbelievable.

    You used a mini SNES and a flash card. You aren't fooling anyone! And yes, I know you will read this.

    You shouldn't even be allowed to start a kick starter campaign with the scam you just pulled at the NY toy show.
     
  18. mickcris

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    someone is apparently coming out with a competing product
     
  19. BLUamnEsiac

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    Ooh, it runs Windows for emulation. Far more impressive than the Coleco Chameleon. :p
     
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  20. contrafan

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    Perhaps I should leave this here for further perspective

    source: Horse's mouth http://atariage.com/forums/topic/246855-coleco-chameleonnew-console-from-coleco/page-6#entry3398118
     
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