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  1. GaijinPunch

    GaijinPunch Lemon Party Organizer and Promoter

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    Japan is following suit on fingerprinting and photographing all foreigners upon arrival in Japan.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071026/ap_on_re_as/japan_fingerprinting_foreigners

    Usually I wouldn't mind, but this part kind of sucks:

    I always go through the Japanese / Re-Entry permits line as it's usually shorter, and I'm pretty sure you're supposed to anyway w/ a re-entry permit. Hopefully they won't stick me/us in the dirty foreigners line.

    I'm taking a trip next month, so I'll get to test it out I assume. So exciting.
     
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    madhatter256 Illustrious Member

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    Comply or get a hand stuck up your butt at the airport :).
     
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    EvilWays Gutsy Member

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    It ain't plastic and belongs to an arcade machine, does it?:noooo:
     
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    Boonga Boonga at the Airport!
     
  5. liquitt

    liquitt Site Soldier

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    it's only a mugshot...

    germany is planning to save all data from all germans for 10+ years and send them to 52 countries all over the world...go big brother, go!

    go figure!

    Heil Vorratsdatenspeicherung... :(
     
  6. Parris

    Parris I'm only here to observe...

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    Here in the UK we dug a large hole in the ground from England to France (obviously with the help of the French, otherwise we'd have popped up in Calais and given Pierre a right fright!). Everyday people strap themselves to the undersides of lorries, trains and whatever. They arrive in the UK and disperse as quickly as smoke.

    So, if you want to enter the UK and avoid such things as passports, visas and the like you can just walk or ride from mainland Europe to the UK. Not recommended, but it's typically British.

    Our Government had to admit "We don't know how many illegal immigrants live in the UK and we have no idea who they are".

    We have tighter security at Tescos to avoid packets of Custard Creams and bottles of Coke being stolen!
     
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  7. GaijinPunch

    GaijinPunch Lemon Party Organizer and Promoter

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    This site is largely American. Don't bother us with your petty, so-called "illegal immigration" problems. America does, however, know how many illegal aliens they have: a lot.
     
  8. A. Snow

    A. Snow Old School Member

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    Your government might not know how many illegal immigrants are in the UK but at least they aren't welcoming them with open arms like ours is.
     
  9. Parris

    Parris I'm only here to observe...

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    Here we go again :lol:

    Is it just better that we don't speak G-P lol ?
     
  10. GaijinPunch

    GaijinPunch Lemon Party Organizer and Promoter

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    You probably wouldn't know if you don't if you didn't live in America or watch CNN. I doubt the BBC covers it. In the states though, it's just under the war in terms of hot topics. Pretty spicey... and a huge problem. There were talks of giving some 20 million illegal citizenship. Historic, no? That's almost 10% of the legal population.

    I wasn't trying to undermine the UKs illegal alien problems, but regardless of size, it is clearly not nearly as big of an issue in the media as the US one. I seriously doubt you have politicians lobbying to put up a wall between the UK and Europe. Yes... a physical wall. People want to build this. Dig a bit deeper and you'll hear some want armed border patrol across the whole border.
     
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  11. A. Snow

    A. Snow Old School Member

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    I say with absolute seriousness that I wouldn't be opposed to the use of landmines.
     
  12. sven666

    sven666 bad mongo

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    been there done that :crying:
     
  13. GaijinPunch

    GaijinPunch Lemon Party Organizer and Promoter

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    Damn....that's a pretty bold statement. You do realize if there are no illegal immigrants, quite a few industries will bottom out. Fruit, for one.
     
  14. A. Snow

    A. Snow Old School Member

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    As you can probably tell this particular topic really makes my blood boil.

    While I do think certain industries would take an initial hit I don't think it would be nearly as bad as some would lead people to believe. I think the markets would adjust and the people who benefit from illegal immigration (especially the service and construction industries) would finally be forced to pay a living wage which would attract legal employees. As for other industries such as agriculture I am not opposed to a temporary visa but not nearly on the level that is being talked about.

    Concerning the use of landmines. I know the idea of using them might seem cruel however I believe that in the long run they would save more lives then they would inevitably take. I believe that once the word got out that it is now impossible to cross the boarder (unfortunately at the cost of some lives) most illegals would give up. When you consider the lives lost every year of people trying to cross I believe that it would be better to take one initial large loss of lives and have it taper off rather than the lower but consistent loss that now happens every year. A loss that in the end will overtake that initial loss to landmines anyway. As morbid as it may sound it is better to amputate a limb then to have the patient bleed to death.

    Plus it would have the added benefit of freeing up manpower and resources that is wasted from playing the constant cat and mouse games that the boarder patrol is now engaged in. Resources that could be used to for example protect our ports that by all accounts are woefully overwhelmed and undermanned.
     
  15. ServiceGames

    ServiceGames Heretic Extraordinaire

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    I believe that's also something like 20% of the Mexican population.. I could be wrong with my numbers, but I'm to tired right now to check it out. Suffice it to say that there is a huge percentage of the population of Mexico that is actually living and working here.
     
  16. GaijinPunch

    GaijinPunch Lemon Party Organizer and Promoter

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    A. Snow: It's definitely a debatable topic... it obviously cannot be easily solved by simply sending them all home, or building a wall (or land mines as it were). As an immigrant myself, I'm generally pretty kind-hearted about people that want to move countries. Obviously I think everyone should go through the legal steps though.

    It would be worse. Produce is just the beginning. The problem isn't necessarily with just the wage. It's the quality of work. Illegal immigrants work hard. It's a task in itself to get help. Then you have to worry about quality.
     
  17. A. Snow

    A. Snow Old School Member

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    My grandmother was an immigrant so I'm all for people legally coming to this country as well. I have to ask you though as to why not send all the illegal immigrants home?

    You are forgetting though that in general the quality of work is dependant on the amount of wages paid for that work. Most people are not going to break their backs for a paycheck that won't even support them. Furthermore the illegal immigrants themselves tend to support this point of view. While the wages they make for the amount of work they do may seem low by our standards it is still far better then they would get back home. The same goes for the standard of living. As such they work hard because of this.

    To me there is no reason to think the same level of quality wouldn't be maintained by people here if the wages paid was in proportion to the standard of living.
     
  18. ServiceGames

    ServiceGames Heretic Extraordinaire

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    Agreed A. Snow, however we should all be prepared to start paying $2.00 for an apple then.
     
  19. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    I kinda like the times when there were no borders. You know, last time I checked, the Earth wasn't anyone's property. People should be able to roam wherever the fuck they feel like roaming.
     
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  20. GaijinPunch

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    B/c of the repercussions that should be pretty obvious. Whether you are for or against illegal immigrations, it's pretty obvious that a number of US industries (mainly in the south, but in just about any highly populated US city) cannot handle an en masese exodus of illegal immigrants.

    That is my point exactly. High school kids and broke ass college students aren't going to do that work for the same wage illegal aliens do . I'm not for illegal immigration. I think everyone (especially the workers themselves) benefit from getting their papers. That just doesn't change the fact that the situation is well beyond simply sending them all home.

    You're old.

    Yeah, well... unfortunately it is. That's what land deeds are for. I thought you studied law. Guess you haven't gotten into the real estate portion yet.
     
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