Again with the "Apple = quality" myth... http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/11/17/reliability.study.has.apple.4th.place/ Ever since they started making their stuff in Chinese sweatshops, the quality has suffered big time.
Lenovo's are brilliant machines for the cost. I bought an Lenovo Netbook whilst travelling (my Macbook was stolen) for only £150 new and it was a great little machine. I reckon I could have used it as a weapon in self defence and the the attacker would have been out cold.
I have an old Apple Powerbook 170, but the screen on the left hand side starts to go black after 20 to 30 minutes... although this is the only mac I own. Although I do have an Apple IIe, and a IIGS and Newton coming. What sort of stupid statement is that? Netbooks are designed to be small and light with long battery life, something I think your Macbook fails at. The speed is fast enough to run most tasks that people on a netbook are probably going to want to do, wordprocessing, internet, messaging, that sort of thing... My Lenovo S10-3t cost me 250 quid, has 6 hours plus battery life, does have a touch screen so I can use it as a pad if I so desire (which to be honest is not very much), has a proper keyboard and is fast and powerful enough to allow me to run indesign and all the other programs I need... Currently I have it plugged into a LCD screen to give me a 1920x1024 resolution and it is happily charging my PDA and allowing me to use a Keyboard and mouse... I do have an ipod classic which I got in trade for a couple of cheap games and god is it horrible, the sound quality is worse (and I did check on another ipod classic) then a cheap and cheerful Sandisk MP3 player. Couldn't be arsed installing the bloatware that is itunes on windows so used a third party program but even then it is still a pain to transfer and use, do like the drap and drop feature of most MP3 players. I dislike Apple as most of their stuff is expensive and not really that much more useful then a cheaper item, a few more bells and whistles maybe, but nothing to really justify the high prices. I have used both OS X and Windows XP/7 and although Microsoft changed a ton of things for Windows Vista/7, I can now find all the options I need to within a few clicks and still remember where they are for XP, I am sure if I wanted to find the same option in OS X I would probably have the same issues in finding the options I wanted... Yes a lot of Windows PCs do come with a lot of crap bundled on them, however the hour or so it takes to remove and then to set the PC up the way I want it is not too much of a chore or hassle. Hell if you can spend half an hour ranting here then I am sure you really do have the time My 220 quid lenovo S10-3T also has motion sensors to protect the hard drive if knocked off table, has multiple point touch screen, swivel screen to turn it into a pad, gravitational sensor to flip the screen the right way round and it is still massively more useful then an ipad.
My point was that while we can. A lot of people can't. How many times have you seen a family member or friends computer with 100+ startup items running, toolbars from god knows how many different companies filling up their internet explorer window etc? That's what an opened ended OS brings to the masses. As the decades pass people will learn to be more efficient with their machines but they shouldn't have to. I must have heard hundreds of times over..."I need a new laptop, mine is broken". It's never broken, it's a missing plug in, or a virus or a rogue program, or a setting they've changed without realising which they don't understand. My dad makes a living buying and selling laptops which need repairs. There are 1000's of machines on eBay listed as broken, he picks them up for practically nothing, re-installs windows, wipes them down with a damp cloth and sells them for double. I'm really hoping that Windows 8 addresses some of these issues. Even though people hate it, sandboxing is the way forward for the consumer market. Despite the extra bells and whistles I will however admit that Macs are incredibly over-priced. I need a more powerful Mac but I can't bring myself to pay for a Macbook Pro. OS X is what I love, I kinda do wish they would license it to other manufacturers.
don't like windows encrappiness with toolbar and sort of crap, still hating apple? use linux, nowadays almost everything runs inside a browser, chrome and firefox works flawlessly on linux, even better than windows or mac, at least that you like gaming, linux satisfy every aspect of other OSes, i'm using it since 2008 and never missed windows, and when having macs was a pain in the ass that "simple" tham fanboys love, is just too simple or too complicate, there no point in the middle on a mac
To the first: BULLSHIT. Comparing Apples (pun not intended) to oranges. A laptop versus netbook? Lets compare a School Bus to a Ferrari shall we? But I guarantee you this i7 laptop that ran me almost $1k even will trounce your 2006 Macbook and make the netbook look like a Geo Metro. But that'd be an unfair comparison seeing as the Macbook is 5 years old and the netbook is a netbook, not a laptop. To the second: I'm not a hardcore mac fan, as a result I probably used the wrong terminology. It was a tower made in the last 2 years loaded with 4 SSDs, 16gb of ram or more (I didn't bother to count) and the then top of the line video card. I believe it was going into get serviced by the "genius bar" to add in more video cards. Which is astounding to think Apple will violate your warranty for adding your own video cards let alone sticks of ram. I guess they assume their users are too stupid to do it properly? Considering the amount of stupid things I've seen people do to their computers I wouldn't be surprised.
Ok I guess it was unfair to compare such a shitty processor, but the point was an old computer vs new. However, to keep my point relevant, I could say that an old macbook will still be more useful than a current laptop with pentium dualcore processor.:flamethrower:
OT, but anyone else think it's funny how you can use a 5-year-old computer just fine nowadays, at least for the stuff most people do (mainly web browsing)? There's no way you could've done that in the 90s or early 00s.
Most computers from I'd say late 2001-2003 are built crappily. All have shit caps that have the stolen recipe.
*raises hand* If my old laptop was still up and running, I wouldn't have "needed" a new one. But it is nice being able to play FullHD videos, I can do all I want on an i3 machine. Except when I want to render videos etc. ...
i will give it installing an app is about the same. However, Android is open architecture and I do not need to jailbrake it. The android can seemlessly move data between my windows PC. Apples always fight me. Add to it my android was half the cost. Can not beat it.
Twimfy: Have you tried Ipod Linux ? also your statement about mini-disks does not hold up in court (totally), since before Sony stopped making them this year, then back in 2004 there they made Hi MD disks. And they can record up to 7 hours and 55 minutes of CD quality audio, and also there are alternatives about this and that. http://www.gpeters.com/minidisc/ But what blatantly pisses me off, which is not about Apples products directly are the tossers who does not know how to make a proper video and audio bootleg. When there are better software for phones and MP3 players, that will let you record better audio on one side, and video on the other side of things, or at least there is for Android, which a friend of mine showed me. When he recorded a nice song from a live performance he was at. So if real fans got their shit together, they would video and audio bootleg performances better, instead of crappy sound quality. Which I have seen on too many youtube live video bootlegs lately. Seriously, I have heard better tape recordings (free hand) than some of the videos I have seen lately.
If you don't mind tinkering, just build a Hackintosh and be done with it. While I hate Finder (and like I've said, iPhoto & iTunes) I find the OS far better than anything on Windows. That being said, I'm on Linux now about 85% of the time... it was 95% of the time before I started dicking around more w/ music and Photoshop. It's nice to treat my MacBookPro & Hackintosh desktop as just another Linux box on my network. W/ windows, you get to do all that through applications which just sucks the big donkey.
Installing RAM does not void the warranty in any Mac. The manual that came with the computer even shows you how to do it. Same with Mac Pros, you can install a new video card (and RAM and/or hard drives) and it will not void the warranty. Other Macs (iMac/MacBooks/MacMini) use fixed video cards and can not be changed. Now some machines do void the warranty when you want to change the hard drive. The MacMini can have it's hard drive replaced as long as you don't damage any thing in the process. iMac is another issues. Opening an iMac and replacing the hard drive can void your warranty. But installing a new hard drive in a MacBook or a MacPro does not. =hugh
OSX is probably better than Windows, but for me Linux is still king. If you don't like something and want to get your hands dirty, you can do that. If you just want to get things done, you can do that too. And if you need something, generally it's all free. I found that on Linux if you need to do something frequently, it's dead easy to do. And if you need to do something harder, you generally only need to do it once.
I don't like this either, but I think it does have its benefits. I agree that part of the reason for it is to make money off of the apps, but I also think they do it for quality reasons. The App Store is also very convenient in that there's a single place for every app, and they all automatically update themselves. This is not unique to the App Store. Most paid digital download services require a credit card. Steam, Xbox Live, PSN, and Nintendo's download services all do this. I don't think it's ever taken more than 30 seconds for me to install an app on my iPhone. That's just beyond ridiculous.
Apple devices let's see. iPod great multimedia device the best one you can buy at the moment. iMacs, pieces of overpriced crap. The ones at my study are horrible to use, already some of the HDDs in them have died. They don't even have good hardware, since OSX is so well written it doesn't need much power, but then what are we paying for? The logo, as said by APE. iPhone have a 3GS at the moment, nice phones but very little memory as in RAM memory that shit lags pretty quickly. iOS is very restricted unless you jailbreak it, I JUST WANT MY OWN RINGTONE! Why is it a 10 minute job as apart of a 30s job on Android or even Nokia phones.. I think that's about it from me, Apple are pretty overpriced that's the only thing I hate about them, OH and people who use them think they're smart for some reason..
Here's my opinion of Apple: their hardware is average at best, and they're overpriced. However, their software is some of the best available. The reason to buy an Apple device is for the software, not the hardware. Their software is so good, in my opinion, that it justifies the extra expense. My PC is more powerful than a Mac Pro, but it cost about half as much. However, I've been unable to get it to run Mac OS X. Linux is cool, but it's buggy as hell, and it can't run many of the programs that I use on a semi-regular basis. I hate Windows for reasons I can't even explain. Mac OS X has all the best parts of Linux and Windows, with minimal bullshit. If Apple released a PC version of Mac OS X tomorrow, I would buy it, and I would probably never buy an Apple computer again. As it is, however, I'm considering getting a new MacBook Pro.
Look @ hackintosh, It's a little difficult to get running but can save you a bomb.:thumbsup: Twimfy mentioned OSX being an open ended OS, not sure if you've ever experimented with Linux but OSX doesn't have anything on Linux or just about any GPL OS.
