Has Anyone Noticed console failure rate

Has anyone noticed that old things like Intellivisions and Nintend Entertainment Systems will last for like 20 years, but a Ps3 or 360 can barely last?
I mean, if all the stuff is supposed to be "Super Cool New Age" Shit, then why cant it last like it's fucking new age?!

I got a 360 in 0'6.
One year later: RROD
Solution: I sent it to microsoft and got it fixed. But no, they don't replace it, they mess with the one console until it works again and send it back..
Why is this bad?
If there is reocurring problems like that, then it's still gonna happen.

After a few months.....
RROD.
I send it back, wait 2 more months...
I got it back.
I power it on, RROD STILL! WTF?!
They didnt fix it. Go Figure. OH:
So, I send it back, and they DO fix it.
But they can't go "Oh, this console got death ringed twice, lets replace it." NO, They screw with the old one.
They send it back.
Not much longer, My screen blacks out. What the hell is it now? Now I can't play the games because they wont show on the screen.
Fuck this.

I got my PS3 in December, and in Febuary, It died. It wouldnt boot up and would show an orange LED. I call Sony, but they really dont seem to care on helping me fix it.

Xbox Failures : 4
Ps3 Failures: 1

every other console I own has never let me down once.

In conclusion, always go with the old stuff, Itll never let you down! :thumbsup:

 

it's really a phenomenon, almost as if the new stuff got engineered breakpoints.

 

Xbox 360's are notorious for breaking down, NES model 1 though might not break down but its such an annoying console.

 

I owned 4 360's (all broke) sold the last as soon as it came back from MS and will NEVER buy one again.. I got better things to do then sending stuff by mail to MS and waiting for it to arrive back and break again..
My mate just bought a 360 (on some internet shop stupid him) it broke in 3 days!!!! RROD and now he will have to send it to MS and the online shop doesnt want to take it and MS will take a couple of weeks to fix the damn thing..

As for my PS3 thank god it didn't break yet, it has been going for a year now without any problems what so ever.. I even forget to turn it off most of the time so its a potential overheating killer... :/ as far as I know there is no auto off mode like the 360 has for the PS3 sadly.

 

True but bad design breeds bad design...i mean lets look at microsoft, as a company they release unfinished products to be patched later so the 360 was doomed from the get go...plus the fact they rushed it to market to get a foothold before sony released the ps3.

The main problem the 360 fails so much is one basic flaw that create's more problems, "The flaw?" i hear you ask is poor motherboard placement, the problem is that the standoffs are different hights ...added to the fact the board is only secured at the edges leaves the centre floating, this leaves it free to bend/warp with the heat from the cpu/gpu this bending/warping loosens the solder joints and BAM Rrod.

 

The board is tied down in the center (there are eight small screws that hold the heatsink studs to the motherboard.). The real problem is the demand for smaller form-factors. You just can't put everything together that tightly without a properly implemented cooling system. To make it worse, Microsoft only put fresh-air inlets at each end of the console, and the side with the better airflow gets blocked when you have a hard drive added on. Even half of the holes on the plastic sides get blocked by the hard drive, so Microsoft clearly took form over any real functionality.

 

My head explodes thinking that that many little tiny things could possibly work together at all without fucking up.

 

They secure the heatsinks not the board....its still free to move 1mm to 2mm when heated at the edges of the cpu/gpu which is enough to cause the Rrod, and the fact that the two central chassis standoffs are 1mm too tall and the xclamps put all the heatsink weight/tension on one point in the centre of both the cpu and gpu cause's further stress to the poor motherboard its a wonder the thing works at all.

 

very true.

consoles nowadays are barely PCs. and we're all aware of how long PCs may staying alive w/o showing any troubles.

many HW components, driver which all fit together, harddiscs etc. it's no singlechip construction anymore, as it was in FC times.

 

Simple single chip constructions or not even in the NES era we had our share of console failures remember the blinking problems? where the connector would wear down and stop working and the carts would errose...but at least this usually would take a bit longer then the avarege 360 RROD :020:

 

I can remember wearing out 2-3 snes psu's but the snes never had any issues, i can also remember dropping my original GameBoy out of a moving car (dont ask) but it still worked untill the day i lost it....ahhh memorys

 

Oh my, now dont start comparing a real PC lifetime to a console like 360.

Of course it all depends on the hardware setup. Where the variety is immense. However I believe a well constructed PC without spending thousands, is absolutley no problem and will keep running for years if properly maintained and cooled with quallity cooling hardware.

The only things I had dying on me frequently are optical drives, and it all started with the DVD drive days. The failure rate for these always was immense compared to cd-rw drives that might as well still work in read and write. Looking over at my bunch of dead dvd-rom and rw drives, I see countless I/O and other error screens.

But there's also the 360 GPU lead-free solder problem. I have honestly no idea, do graphics cards for a pc system run under the same regulations? Do they HAVE to use lead-free solder? I have a funky ATI x850 in my old currently as second setup used PC, with a cooling system that is just abnormal. Leading to countless problems and especially heat, It's quite a few years old now but it still works, even if it idles around at 80°.

(A CPU never died on me, and if one of those I still got does, i'll frame them!ray

 

Heh, I don't know about PS3, I had mine for 2 years and no problems while my Xbox 360 is laying in the corner because it likes to overheat itself :>

 

I dont have a PS3, but a 360 for 2 years. And it's still alive. While my brother owns a ps3, and that one has issues. :lol:

I'd hate to say one console fails more likely then the other. Now the ps3 is quite a while on the market and has just as much issues at some point or another. We can very well agree on the fact that todays consoles take on shit, especially not a beating. (Did i hear a gamecube fall down the stairs? :110

 

Complexity + mass production + rushed design + fiscal quotas = high failure rates

 

As complexity increases, it's the manufacturers job to make sure it remains reliable. Cars are a million times more complex than they were 20 years ago, and the majority of them don't have higher failure rates. TVs and computers aren't the most reliable things, but most haven't decreased in reliability either over the years.

After going through 3+ ps2s, I vowed not to buy a 360 until they make a reliable one. This latest revision may be it, but i'm giving it time to see.

edit: Madhatter, you said it man. You said it.

 

Poor design is definatly a major factor, but also keep in mind that the NES had no moving parts while a 360 does.

 

My PS3 is two years old and doing fine. I haven't really heard of many PS3s failing. In fact, I just googled it and the PS3 failure rate is between something less than 1% (Sony quotes 0.02%, while game shops quote "less than 1%") and 3%. The 360 failure rate has been quoted at anywhere from 10% to 30%, depended on the model number and the source.

I absolutely refuse to buy a 360 for this exact reason. In fact, EVERYONE I personally know with 360s has had to send them in to M$ for repair after they got the red ring deal. Mind you, I only know about half a dozen people with 360s. Most people have a Wii or maybe a PS3.

The only console I've personally had die was my first PS2 that I had modded. The CD lazer needed replacing. The system works fine now.

To be honest, I have no idea why people actually buy 360s if they know how common the RRoD is.

 

It is garbage that they die, but the system is still worth keeping. I would never put up with a system that died on me about 4 times unless it was totally worth it.

Isn't the 360 death rate wayyyyy down now?

It's not an excuse but if a person seriously can't handle a week or two of repair (or a month during the huge rush), I really don't know what to tell them.