Hello hypervisor, I'm geohot - PS3 hacked?

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by _SD_, Jan 23, 2010.

  1. LEo

    LEo Fiery Member

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    Is it true they launched the ps2 not more than a year ago over there?
     
  2. pato

    pato Resolute Member

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    yup dood, in november, but the console its here imported since 2000/2001, let me tell the story, in september 2008 sony announced a plan to release the family all over latin america, and ian jackson vice president or something of scea said that sony was investing R$9 million (about $6 million) to assemble ps2 here, and then mark stanley said in a interview that all family would be here with a reduction of 20% to 35% of the price ( i bet its would be if assembled here, in the first year, later its begin to make more cheaper), and then about a week before the release, a clerk that work in uz games, the biggest retailer in brazil, said in forum outerspace, that it would be a fail, none of what ian jackson and mark stanley said would be true, the ps2 would cost R$839 (about $500) they would be imported, and the ps3 would cost R$3000 (about $1700), and that ps2 would be the only console available for 2009, no one did believe it including me, because his nick was bigNfanboy( nintendo fanboy), then a week later... everything went true, but the ps2 would cost R$799 ($465), and the ps3 there were no signal ( a rumor said that would be R$2500, about $1400), only the games that were the same price from stores, some even more expensive, that maybe was the biggest owned ever in the forum.

    about a week later, i sent my ps2 to repair in the store, but they don´t repair mod chipped consoles, and before i go, i said - hey sony released the ps2 here, wanna know the price? R$800, i ve should trusted that fanboy, and a clerk said - i ve told them, they didn´t believe me, and i- so IT WAS YOU, and them started to chat, and brought mace griffin for pc for R$10 (about $6).

    its tough to be a gamer here, unless you are a pc games, pc games are manufactured here, they cost the same price outside, sometimes they are more chaper here, due to import taxes vg games are very expensive, a release here cost about R$280 (about $150), the problem is the government with these taxes, but in the sony case, i guess they are innocent, suframa aprroved the assembly of ps2 here in september 2008, sony promised great things, to end like this, THEY LIED TO US, microsoft its here a long time, the x360 oficial its very expensives, and the game have only good price at beginning, passed the time they still have the same price, and lamatel, the official nintendo representative put an expensive price too, but they never promised anything, sorry for my bad english and big post.
     
  3. hl718

    hl718 Site Soldier

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    You can't blame the cost of taxes on the game companies.

    Talk to your government and ask why they charge such obscene tax rates on video games. That's your problem right there.

    -hl718
     
  4. pato

    pato Resolute Member

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    they do this to any imported product, to protect the national industry, and sony promised to assemble here to reduce the taxes, SUFRAMA aproved, but for unknown reasons they decided to import, the same clerk said that a "ninja" told that sony would assemble here and would cost R$399 (about $210).

    and even this price for the ps2 official is unrealistic, stores that pay taxes sell for R$500 (about $260), only the games have a more friendly price, but not for the ps3.
     
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  5. subbie

    subbie Guardian of the Forum

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    Well, it sounds like this news is a dud, based on recent info i've read I don't think he has really hacked the ps3. He might have gained access to the hypervisor but that wont give him full control of the ps3. Plus all his hacking is via OtherOS.

    Further this comment is bothersome
    "George Hotz said...

    the stupid hypervisor is PPC and C++

    if it were C and ARM, maybe i'd have a public sw exploit already."

    Seriously?
     
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  6. LuckyToke

    LuckyToke Robust Member

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  7. karsten

    karsten Member of The Cult Of Kefka

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    i think that sony could get lots of benefical effects. Copying ps3 games is impraticable due to price of BR discs and burners, also BR games are way to big (50GB) and playing from HD would be boring and time consuming...

    On the other side the user base would really get larger, and large user base means a lot more sales, piracy or not.

    It's not a psx or dreamcast situation, were with 1$ you could run your pirates.
     
  8. pato

    pato Resolute Member

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    the ps3 that geohot hacked was a gift from George Kharrat, a moderator of the forum iphone mod brasil, a interessing tweet from geohot to him, @geohot did u install yell0wdog linux or some other flavor in your PS3 to dump the hypervisor NAND?!, it was on august 2009, 1 month before the ps3 slim release.
     
  9. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    If the hack is that complicated, nobody gonna do it.

    I remember the first hack for the PS2, using a USB key. Didnt work half the time, and while it wasnt a pain to install it didnt work as easily as a modchip did, so most casual pirates waited for a better solution before getting a PS2 (at least thats what I saw in spain).

    Anyways, pato I believe that while latin american markets are booming they're still too small to get a standalone production facility. The reality is protectionism is obsolete, and only serves to keep the local industry from having to innovate in order to be more competitive. Case in point, most cars made in latin america FOR the latin market wouldnt stand a chance in the american or european markets, since most of the tech, specially safety, is well below the minimum.

    The only solution is to import the consoles, sell them at a loss (so taxes dont make them too expensive) and make the games there, so they dont pay import tax. That and the goverment should get serious about piracy, or else people are just going to keep doing it.

    You cant beat FREE games...
     
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  10. pato

    pato Resolute Member

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    well, but they never did tell anything that first would be imported, or it not will be assembled, even an explanation of why it came more expensive, instead to more cheaper and assembled as they promised, i would be happy if they tell the reason.
     
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  11. Taucias

    Taucias Site Supporter 2014,2015

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    I thought the keys were hardware. I'll be interested to read how he did it, if he spills the beans and not just the keys.
     
  12. DPyro

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    The supplied photo is crap and it doesn't even confirm which version of the MoBo it is. It does require an original (not slim) system with linux installed. You'll also need to build a small device to send a 40ns pulse to that point on the board.

    From what I'm reading, all this hack has done is bypass the first level of security. To actually do anything you're going to need these encrypted keys, and that's the real hard part. We'll just have to see if anyone manages to accomplish anything a little more useful using this exploit.

    The PS3 is far from being hacked it would seem.
     
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  14. Taucias

    Taucias Site Supporter 2014,2015

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    I don't think it is going to happen beyond opening some access to RSX in Linux. But we'll see.
     
  15. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    RSX in linux is no small victory actually. Would this mean that the extra 256MB of RAM can be used in other OS as well?
     
  16. Taucias

    Taucias Site Supporter 2014,2015

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    It would mean some pretty nice homebrew...
     
  17. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    I can't wait to play some toddler's tetris..again
     
  18. subbie

    subbie Guardian of the Forum

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    I think I read that it already can be used in some fashion.
     
  19. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

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    There was limited RSX work on an older firmware version.
     
  20. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    For what I could understand, all they did was replace the old importers right? so they didnt do anything, just took the market that a third party had.

    On my previous comment, what I meant is that they should make the games there, not the consoles, since the investment would be way smaller (any DVD factory could press the games) and would curb piracy since the games would be much cheaper without having to pay import tax
     
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