I don't know how many Puro fans are here but...WOW

I'm not disrespecting the dead. Being critical is not disrespectful, and my opinions shouldn't change b/c the guy dies. Yeah, it sucks when someone so young dies. My sarcastic post wasn't trying to take anything away from that.

 

yeah, without further antagonising either side : I am not into Wrestling at all due to it's nature of being more theatre/drama which removes the thing that makes sports great, however the physical aspects of Wrestling are absolutely amongst some of the arduous out there and the men/women involved are legitimate athletes.

There's an excellent documentary by Louis Theroux on Wrestling and it does a lot to show exactly what sort of dedication it takes to be a top wrestler - the physical regime was :O :O :O .

 

'The Wrestler' starring Mickey Rourke was a pretty good movie. And showed a side of wrestling I've never seen before.

 

Fuck yeah it was. Mickey Rourke made it great. Marisa Tomei's tits made it a must-see.

EDIT: ...the T-back wasn't too bad of a sight either.

 

Ever see any of the early UFC matches when there were only like two or three rules? Not that far off from what you want and it was better for it in my opinion. Too bad some people bitched and forced them to changed.

 

Amen , back then UFC was probably the most brutal form of martial art I have ever seen. And also the only thing I could call more brutal would have been, if I had ever seen the gladiators go at it in an amphitheatre . Do you remember David *tank* Abbot doing his UFC matches ? damn that was some massive violence in his way of fighting, and he was a former "Pro Wrestler" who took the turn to real fighting. But he wasn't the best at all. But still that is what I like, with UFC. Brock Lesnar had some fights in UFC, damn he is a bad ass without a doubt. But then again here is a link where I found a top 20 list over "pro wrestlers" turning to the MMA side of things.

http://www.larryweaver.com/blog/2008/01/ufc-vs-wwe-pro-wrestlers-mma-fighters.asp

So what I like, is if the pro wrestler REALLY goes pro. Since then we are almost back at the old UFC shows.

 

Are they athletes? yes
Are the things they do dangerous? yes
Is any of it "live" as in not scripted and rehearsed to hell? no

If you think about it carefully, you go and do <random wrestling move> a suplex on a normal person their neck would snap, instantly. So how do they pull off soooo many of these with relatively few real injuries/deaths? it's staged, they aren't doing a REAL suplex, they are just holding someone upside down and resting their shoulders on their legs so their head doesn't make contact with the mat, hence shattering their neck.

If you don't believe me, you go grab some random big dude off Miami Beach, get them to do a suplex on you and lets see how well you fare. Obviously for liability purposes I do not condone or recommend you actually doing this, as you won't come out of it well, if at all.

Are we disrespecting the guy? no, we are disrespecting what he and others of his ilk do and pass off as real.

 

If you like Marisa Tomei watch 'Before the Devil Knows You're Dead'. :bedsex:

 

Its all in how you do the suplex and how you take it

 

The only wrestling I watch is Kaiju Big Battel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6iIr8KrH80&feature=related

 

Quite an expert are you? Do you just lots of KY jelly? :lol:

 

Word. I'm in!

Hooty hooo.

 

I met Louden a few years ago

 

Maybe not, but you were insulting the intelligence the person who made the post about this athletic entertainer's death.

 

I hate to do this, but to quote Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piledriver_(professional_wrestling)

Piledrivers are generally considered to be one of the more dangerous maneuvers in wrestling because of the impact on the head and compression of the neck; if even slightly botched, the move can cause serious injury, even paralysis. A properly executed standard piledriver has the head barely touching the ground, if at all.

So, you know, not actually doing a piledriver, just holding someone upside down then sitting on the mat. Seeing as the move is designed to pretty much give someone Maximum Damageâ„¢ and/or cripple them for life.

Doesn't matter how you "take" being driven head first into the ground, if someone does it for real, you are going to have a bad day.

 

I guess you've not been around here long enough. I take 1-line jabs all the time. I'm much more blatant when I insult intelligence.

 

Forget the explaining of what move and what

THIS SHOULD at least earn him your respect

http://kotaku.com/5291846/deceased-wrestler-loved-great-video-games

...he was a gamer too

 

To ridicule professional wrestling, yet champion MMA is ironic. Without professional wrestling there would not likely not be MMA. Before the Gracie challenged gained prominence you had contests between professional wrestlers (which at the time still had many catch wrestlers) and judokas. During the 70s and 80s professional wrestling was again bitten by the "world's greatest martial arts" bug through Antonio Inoki. While his contests were staged his bouts with Muhammad Ali, Wilhelm Ruska, Willie Williams, etc, his influence continued.

Eventually pupils of Inoki left his promotion, NJPW, and created a worked shoot promotion, UWFi. One of the top performers eventually left and created a shoot fighting promotion in Shooto, the first MMA promotion. UWFi later folded, with one wrestler, Fujiwara, creating his own worked shoot fighting promotion, PWFG. Three of the wrestlers in PWFG included Masa Funaki, Minoru Suzuki, and an American named Ken Shamrock. Funaki and Suzuki later left PWFG, wanting actual competition. They created Pancrase, the first MMA promotion of any renown.

The early bouts of Pancrase are a bit sketchy, as it's not known how much was worked. Ken Shamrock eventually appeared at UFC. A few events later Dan Severn appeared in MMA. Dan Severn was a professional wrestler, and a former standout in Greco-Roman and freestyle wrestling. When he won UFC 5 he carried the NWA title to the ring. Besides Shamrock, Severn, Funaki, and Suzuki, other successful MMA artists who were former professional wrestlers (before going into MMA) are Fujita, Lesnar, and Sakuraba.

Misawa was a bit overrated by the "puro" fanbase due to the "OMG a headrop" factor from the mid-90s AJPW, but he's a great wrestler nonetheless.

 

I've seen you do it a bit... but you're right in that I've only been around here for a few months. I wasn't even lurking before I joined.

Still... your first post in this thread seemed inappropriate to quite a few people. What does it matter if pro wrestling is fake/scripted wrestling when talking about the death of someone involved in it?