I'm throwing the towel..... going retro.

What? The cheapest blu-ray player this year is going to be about $1000 USD. So the PS3 would be cheaper than a stand-alone player. The HD-DVD drives are half the price of blu-ray.

So while the PS3 is expensive as hell, if you really want a Blu-ray player (for whatever reason this year), then it's a great deal. Personally, I think I'll just stick with HD-DVD though as they expect to have between 150-200 titles on HD-DVD by the end of the year.

 

That's is the point. Who wants a blu-ray or a HD-DVD now? Honestly? Only people with tons of money and a full HDTV set.

 

I vote that you go retro. Bah! to all this highly expensive new technology.

You just wanna play games, yes? Real good games? Go get a MD, SNES, MVS and a Dreamcast and rediscover the joys of true gaming.

 

No PC-Engine Duo or Sega Saturn?

 

Shit, yeah. Sorry can't beleive I forgot those. Anyhow, you'd probably be able to get all those retro consoles ad a nice stack of games for the price of a PS3!

 

The big problem with HD-DVD and Blu-ray is just that. Unlike when DVD was introduced, you need a new ubber expensive TV set to use it. DVD was a great quality boost that didn't require all that much money. But HD-DVD and Blu-ray, you gotta be some kind of image quailty whore.

I dunno about that PC-Engine Duo. I've always seen those priced pretty high. Still you could get quite a bit when you're talking 600$, but the point was to not spend 600$ wasn't it? Or was it not spend 600$ on 1 thing?

I love the clasicc games but there are issues with them. For one I'm annoyed by the NES's lack of dual audio jacks and I don't want a famiclone. I did get a fix for that. Then there are other issues like for one, I don't have near enough room to have all my stuff hooked up at once. For one my SuperGun (to play my MVS carts primarily) takes up alot of room. I really should put some effort into casing it and/or shrinking its size. Just finishing it in general.

Right now I can only have maybe 8 consoles hooked up decently. And that isn't enough. =) I think I need to get some better cabinets to hold these things. Reminds me I need to solder some wires to fix that Ninja Gaiden 3 NES cartridge.

 

You dont' really need "tons" of money for the HD-DVD stuff... I don't exactly have thousands to drop on a high end Blu-ray player ($1800), but I do have $500 I can drop on an HD-DVD player... though I will wait for the 360 add-on as it will be considerably cheaper (or else what would be the point?). It's just after you get your HDTV... DVDs just don't look that good anymore. I didn't think it would make that big a difference, but it really does. The fact that the HD-DVD player will upconvert regular DVDs to 1080i in addition to playing the HD-DVD discs makes it a great purchase in my eyes (no need to replace all my old DVDs).

Only thing I hate about HD-DVD stuff so far is the size of the movie boxes not being the same as the DVDs... That will make them look out of place on my shelves.

 

Man as far as I know the average wage in brazil is below 300 bucks.

So basically this guy should, at least, expend 1 and two-thirds of his salary to buy the HDDVD, and that's without the huge taxes he said they charge to electronics over there.

Anyway, I'm going to ask that hobo near my block if he can buy a MacBookpro...

 

500 bucks is a considerable ammount of money. In Brazil, USA or any other place in the world.

 

I missed the Saturn and the Dreamcast entirely. I have only played the Saturn once and the Dreamcast two or three times. I was more concentrated in playing the PS1 and the N64... that's a shame, I know. Now I can see that the Saturn had some really really amazing games that I'm eager to try, not to mention the Dreamcast.

 

The way I see it... if you have the money to drop on an HDTV, you have the money to drop on an HD-DVD player. If you don't have or are unable to get the money for an HD-DVD player, how did you get an HDTV? Not to mention the lamps in many HDTVs die within a few years (if you're lucky) and that's about 350 bucks by itself to replace (provided you can service it yourself like with my Toshiba, Sony doesn't make it easy with the one my dad just bought for his house).

As Shadowlayer pointed out, the average wage in Brazil is a lot lower than that of the US. But then again why would anyone get any form of HD media if they can't afford an HDTV? I think it's obvious I wasn't talking about anyone that has an average wage of 300 or below.

 

By the time the PS3 comes out, BluRay players will be considerably cheaper than what they cost now. Stores don't even carry them because they are that expensive unless you go to the high-end upperclass stores like Sharper Image.

 

Or because the Blu-ray players don't come out until next month. And no, they won't be considerably cheaper by the time the PS3 comes out. Their players will have only been around for 5 months at that time.

 

Your an imbecil. Personally i spent £600 on a HDTV no i dont have the money to buy a HDDVD player or a Blueray player.

I DO however have a HD feed from my xbox and my xbox 360. I do also have a HD feed from my PC where i have many files with much bigger resolution then norma PAL standard tvs.

Lets see i went to work i saved alot for a while and then i had the money to buy my tv. Now im not working i dont get to save my money to buy a HD-DVD player. Nor do i want a HD-DVD player. Why does someone who has a HDTV have to have the money and need for a HD-DVD player....

Plasma screens and LCD screens have no projection lamp to replace. Also i doubt many will just die in a few years. Most tvs if treated well will last many many years. The lamp life is pretty big on rear projection tvs anyways.

 

Wow, that was real big of you. No need to insult people just because you don't agree with them. The fact you have a 360 and an HDTV shows you have the money for an HD-DVD player if you WANT one. I don't see how you proved me wrong. You said, "you went to work and saved a lot for a while." Great, if you want HD-DVD, you can afford it. You know how to manage your money and save. Again, just what I said.

And Plasma screens fail pretty often if Best Buy customer service is any indicator here in Huntsville. I don't know about LCD's failure rate... and the lamp in my TV is "supposed" to last 6000-8000 hours... look it up online and see if it actually lasts that long. The answer would be a resounding NO. Regardless of who makes the TV, Sony, Toshiba, Samsung, the lamp is lucky to survive 2-3 years. Several, however, actually fail within the first 180 days. Doubt it all you want, you can look it up and see for yourself.

If you are really one of the few that actually don't mind watching DVDs only in 480p on your HDTV, then go ahead and save some money. But you are really one of the few, an exception, not an average.

 

Not really you have no idea how long i saved or if im in the same position as i was before. Your theory of you can aford it because you know how to save isnt very good. Johnny in brasil could save what he can for 4 years and then be able to aford to buy a HDDVD player does that really mean he can afford it? Does that mean he can afford to buy HDDVD releases?

So what your saying is the the hundreds of thousands of Plasma screens sold all fail pretty often. Thats funny ive got neighbours who have plasma screens from 1998 that are still running pretty well. Also all those stores who run plasma screens 12 hours a day (sometime 24 hours a day) seem to be doing fine.

Thats pretty big thing to say. I wonder how they even sell these tvs. A small amount may fail but its nothing that happens in such a wide scale as to put most people off buying one. Please if your so sure go and find something to back up what your saying.

Thats very interesting. One there are upscalling dvd players that are less then £100 available. Theres HD content on my xbox and on my PC.

I also find it very funny that im one of the few exceptions... I can go over to the largest av forums in the uk (www.avforums.co.) and ask away how many people are watching HD-DVDs on their HDTVs i wonder if the answers going to be none. People have had HDTVs available to them for the last couple of years and no ones been watching HD-DVDs. Just because we have HDTVS doesnt mean their use is mainly for HD-DVDs.

 

going retro?...just get a job and buy a dam ps3!!!!!!111!!!!

 

Some of us have more important things to pay for, like school. Maybe when you get older, you'll understand. Mommy and Daddy aren't always gonna be there h:

 

Again, at least we can agree to disagree. I still believe if you can afford the HDTV and a 360, you can afford an HD-DVD player if you want one. If you don't want one, I don't know what you're trying to argue.

You want some proof to my claims of lamp problems and plasma tv problems,

Samsung Failures (read reviews)
http://shopping.msn.com/reviews/shp/?itemId=24879235
Toshiba Failures (read reviews)
http://shopping.msn.com/reviews/shp/?itemId=24879235
Sony Failures (read reviews)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000E3DQE/002-8122181-0700854?v=glance&n=172282
Plasma TV problems
http://www.answerbag.com/c_view.php/1053
Summary:
don't use them at high altitudes, the pictures have a tendency to burn in the screen, and the phosophors on the glass can degrade over time. Exactly what Best Buy said at the cutomer service counter.

When did I say everyone that had an HDTV primarily used it for HD-DVDs? Also, when did I say most had an HD-DVD player? I didn't, anywhere. All I was trying to say was that most with an HDTV would be planning on either HD-DVD or Blu-ray. That doesn't mean right at release, that means taking advantage of the HDTV with their movies. I don't know a single person that doesn't want to watch their movies in HD on their HDTVs except for you (as you said you didn't plan on getting either HD-DVD or Blu-ray).

 

He doesn't get what you mean. He thinks saving and buying less of some other luxury items is the same as having your entire income covered by living expenses every month and having just enough left over to rent a movie, but saving your movie renting money for 5 years just to buy the 360. Most people in the US can never save enough to buy the TV with a reasonable amount of time. Without getting into an argument about what disposable income is and how many americans don't have any it safe to say Paulo makes enough money and has enough disposable income to save up to get expensive items without sacrificing more than just an extra meal or two eating out.