no clue if it is true or not the part concerning the used games (seems ridicolous for contries that do not have a widespread decent internet network), but here in italy the used game market is almost dead since gamestop entered here placing used games at 40-50 and even 60 euros... in many cases you can find the new at a price lower than gamestop's used games....
No ps3 compatibility? I find that hard to believe but if it is true then, bye bye Sony. No used games> Forced to buy every game at full retail price or whatever the new game price drops to? Bye bye Sony. I'm assuming no ps1, no ps2, what about DVDs? Ps+ will be a pillar, so what does that mean certain parts of the game will only be available through PS+? of course they are rumour but by God if any of this turns out to be true I am done with modern gaming, I'malmost done with it now and barely play modern games cos they suck.
I won't buy ANY single player game that requires mandatory internet connection and can't at be at least cracked. But if they will make games to work only when you logged to PSN then it's worthless waste of money. 5 years passed, they rolling out PS5 and pulling the plug. You're screwed up.
I cannot understand why everyone bitching about that PS4 will not used PS3 games or backward capability. Sony main goal is to run PS4 games on PS4 machine right ? Want to play PS1, PS2 or PS3 games, use the PS1, PS2 or PS3 console ! Well there you go !
SOME PEOPLE don't have room it's better to have an all in 1 box. like I skipped the PS3, and Backwards compatibility would be a huge selling point for me seeing as how I skipped the PS3. I don't have room for 4 Sony consoles.
^ Fair enough you got the point. Unfortunately having Backwards compatibility does not increase selling point, Look at original 60GB PS3 that include PS1 and PS2 backward compatibility that does not help to benefit increase of sales. NOTE having backward compatibility does cost quite a bit of money to have that feature in the system. I would be very surprise if PS4 will have the Backwards compatibility despite that Sony having hard time making profits for PS3 system. Especially costing Sony total 1 billion pound in loss due to PSN hack last year and expensive price launch on release date which is a bad start. Hell, give Sony at lease a credit for having PS1 backward compatibility on PS2 console and PS1 and PS2 backward compatibility on original PS3 model ! All due to respect, the way I see it and the way Sony see it is... most gamers wants/see the best out of PS4 machine with PS4 games rather having all backward compatibility. I bought Original 60GB PS3 in late 2006 and I don't remember all backward compatibility was a big thing at the time. All current PS3 model does support the PS1 games. Better than nothing.
Yeah BC didn't help sell the PS3, but that's because it had a bunch of other shit working against it at that made even buying it for BC stupid. 500$/600$ PS3 didn't even come with any form of HD Cables, there were hardly any games at launch and most were multi-platform games (It had a whopping total of 4 games unique to the system. 3 if you count RR7 as just being an upgrade of RR6), no vibration support for BC games,etc. Why spend up to 600$ at launch when the system had 3/4 unique games just for BC? I remember I paid 520$ (Extra 20$ for component cables) for my first PS3 which was the half/BC 80GB model and that was because there was a game that was worth paying 500$ for finally. And then the damn system only lasted 3 years and then it went kaput and died. Certainly BC is an important thing IMO, especially for the company that basically pioneered it on consoles in the first place. Especially if they consider it important enough to include it, but only as a SERVICE you have to pay for, or in the form of downloadable versions even though the system is probably completely capable of playing them from the disc. If the PS4 is powerful, it shouldn't have issue emulating the PS1 and PS2 at least. I'm expecting no PS3 compatibility for a few reasons. 1.) Forces people to keep buying PS3s 2.)If uses an x86 based CPU probably impossible to emulate the Cell. 3.)Move towards x86/x64 based CPUs probably is a move towards a more unified future making development for the system and other platforms like PC/360 easier. Maybe even towards future backwards compatibility.
"you can't say that" Not sure what you mean by that ? Repy to vosse, Didn't come with with HDMI cable ? Well yeah obviously because back in 2006 HDTV were announce at expensive price and most homes don't have HDTV yet. I bought my 60GB PS3 and I didn't have the HDTV yet because the price is more expensive than PS3 price at the time. So they not gonna throw HDMI cable in the box. I bought original 60GB PS3 late 2006 for £450 and later with £10 for HDMI cable after I bought HDTV. Not bad in my opinion. Anyway There no doubt PS3 is the best gaming machine with the best line up with killer PS3 exclusive title in my opinion. Yes Sony had a bad start in early PS3 life cycle and everyone was aware of that and including me. Nobody is forcing you buy a PS3 at the beginning. Hell, few PS3 launch games title kept me going and yet my PS3 60GB is till going well to this day. I'm happy with it. Edit, Some HDTV only support HD component cable with Green/blue and red, like XBOX360 had. Then HDTV had HD Component and HDMI input and now latest HDTV only support HDMI input and HD component cable input was discard and that Explain why newer XBOX360 model support HDMI input. I bet Sony it knew it all along, this is why it only come with standard component cable in the box to begin with. In UK. If you buy a PS3..it does come with Sony Brand HDMI cable in separate packaging, this was done since 2008 at Gamestation as far I know.
Unsure if it's true but the latest rumor I hear is that Ps4 won't be backwards compatible with Ps3 either. Kinda ridiculous if its not in my opinion. Hope that and the "Can't play used games" rumor are false otherwise I'll likely not be buying one
Are you smoking crack? The BC PS2's were selling for 70,000 yen used (about double retail at the time) when they went out of production. Anyway, GodOfHardcore has a point (for a change ). Not everyone has that much space. Most importantly, in the country of which Sony calls home, space is an absolutely premium (even in the countryside). Is it top of the list? No, but it definitely helps. If BC wasn't a selling point, then the hardware manufacturers would have always been touting the system from the start "you can enjoy thousands of games from _________ as well..."
I came across some many people talking talking about Sony Blocked used game, Some people can be so stupid. Love the way people get their knickers in a twist over this stuff. It's just a patent, nothing more. Just an idea that Sony want to protect (and potentially profit from) should anyone else come up with a similar idea in the future and actually implement it. In case you've forgotten or are too young to remember, the exact same issue came up in 2005 before the PS3 was released, with people making the same ridiculous statements about not buying PS3... http://uk.gamespot.com/news/ru... There is no way in hell that Sony will implement such a feature, unless they get a written agreement with Nintendo and Microsoft that they will implement the same kind of feature on their systems. Chances of that happening? Virtually none. Go it alone with a feature like this and they simply hand the gaming market to their competitors. It will not happen. When I buy a car and years down the road sell it to someone else or trade it in, I don't hear Toyota bitching that they are not getting money from the second sale. I don't care what they do, I buy all my games new anyways. I am not buying a next gen system till way after launch, I'm not getting screwed into another Xbox burning houses down situation again. This no used games crap is the same scare tactic Sony used pre ps3 launch, that's why I went with xbox Which I regretted. Before everyone starts nailing Sony on this, they are not the only ones that want second hand sales to be eliminated. Almost every game console/company looses money (not really looses, but doesn't get more money) with the used game market. Be ready to see a lot of studios jumping on this bandwagon and praising Sony for this implementation. As a matter of fact, that may be an incentive for game companies to go to Sony before any others, think about it. Even used new games start at $55 from GameStop, either way you have to wait for the used copies to drop in price too. Why not just wait till a new copy is in your range and buy that to support the devs? Waiting is waiting no matter how you spin it.
I can see it not being BC to PS3. Look at the facts- the PS3 is a powerful console, and cramming PS3 hardware and the new hardware in one case is pushing it. Emulation is well out of the question. PS2 and PS1 is completely possible, but they already have downloadable "classics", so there's no reason to put that in. 16Gb internal storage? Maybe, however I can't see that happening. If they want to pull an expensive console, 16Gb is not going to make it any more feasible. If online becomes a paid service, I will not be happy. Sony will lose lots of customers over that. No used games? They might have threatened to use it last gen, but I think it wasn't quite "ready" yet. Judging by the number of account linked serials now, they probably will implement it, even if it isn't in the initial release. Also, the price reminds me of E3 2006- "599 US dollahs".
The current EU ruling only says that you can't go to court to block the sale of software that has no restrictions on installing on another persons computer, not that restrictions on doing that cannot be added. It seems odd that they would patent this. 1. the flow chart seems so simple that the patent wouldn't stand up because it's obvious and a high chance of prior art. 2. if it does stand up then Nintendo and Microsoft would either have to find a different way or not implement it at all, being the only console that implements it will not help them. However Sony do patent some weird things. They patented the add on for the PS3 that allows you to play PS2 games. Even though they would be the only people that could make it, as only they make the PS2 chips. Or they may be patenting it to stop Nintendo or Microsoft from implementing it & they have no intention of implementing it themselves. It may be that someone got a bonus for applying for the patent & they might not have to justify what is in the patent too hard to their boss. Supplying an rfid tag for every game is going to make playing from disc even more annoying, although if they can embed it in the disc itself then that would at least be only one thing to lose. It'll be interesting to see what they do. Maybe they'll make a game themed miniature toy with the rfid tag in for each game. That was no discs/download only, internet access wasn't good enough for that and still isn't. This is supposedly their way around it, but according to the flow chart it is optional. So maybe we'll only see it on some games.
BC? It would suck to go without it but eh... oh well. All they need to do is design it to have a flat top surface so I have a nice place to put my PS3 on top of it. But I won't be buying one. Still a huge selection of affordable PS3 games I haven't played yet. Bargain shopping!
I'm just going to point out that I remember hearing rumors that the PS3 wouldn't allow used games either. I doubt they will really get rid of used games entirely, because Gamestop (the second largest seller of video games in the US behind Wal-Mart) would ravage them for it. Though, Sony has made stupid design decisions recently (PS Vita memory card)
Sonicsean89 - The PSP had the same problem when that was first released with the memory stick which is now a Sony standard with their products (camera's computers etc) I can't help think that the Vita's will be the same in the future. DefectX11 - I can see Sony using 16 GB storage considering that the newer cheaper PS3 has only 12 GB and the Wii U has 8 GB and 32 GB models and the Xbox has the 4 GB console. All to save some money and maybe release a console at a decent price point. No doubt there will be a premium model of the PS3 out there but if there isn't... well thats pretty bad right there.
So are we not moving toward download-only games anymore? It seems the recent "trend" in low-volume console storage says otherwise. (If they want us to use digital downloads more, they should give us plenty of space, right?)
