Lost my job today....

I'm geting my degree right now, and yeh I was thinking about investing the money instead but then my Dad said "no fucking way, if you dont go to college I'll buy a Porsche with that money" so I didnt have a real choice.

However I do try to learn the ins and outs of bussines administration, specially since the reason why I choose this carrer instead of others was to know how corporations work, basically becos I've seen so many good ideas go to waste simple becos their creators didnt knew shit about business.

So anyway, wish me luck, cuz I may own your asses someday:lol:

 

I look forward to seeing you mature and prosper, and why not, better your spelling

 

I know people with MBA, studying business administration, etc and they don't know jack about the company's product, nor how to properly sell it. I've seen lots of businesses go down hill because of stubborn MBA majors thinking a piece of paper means they know it all, even the products the company has to offer.

 

I'm going to be starting Junior College soon, so i'm sort of in a weird period of finding a close job (My old job was pretty decent at $10.00 a hour, but it was in Nashville).

My step father has worse luck, though. He is arabic and his name is Muhammad, so most places do not want him. I mean, he can understand English pretty good, its just that his accent can be hard to understand at times. He was able to get pretty good wages up in New York, but it is different down here. His first trucking job got to the point where they were not sending him home as promised and were doing some odd things with miles and wages (This was warner trucking).

The second job he had was at Opry Land Hotel as a food driver/bus driver. It sucked ass, because he was there only a week and a half when his boss made false aligations against him about his driving (He was apperantly a abusive boss to all the imigrant workers there and firings under him was common) and fired him. When him and my mother fought back against it, the hotel pretty much shrugged it off and fired him anyway, saying "People were afraid of him", which I think was bullshit.

Then he was offered a job with a second driving company, although they put him through a series of tests that were foreign to him (Like homework in english that used a bunch of words he did not understand). He had to go up to, what, Michigan or someplace to do it, and they made him come back a second week. Then they decided that they were not going to hire him after a week and a half of training (He did pretty well, too), so that sucked.

So yeah, Tennessee is not exactly the best place for anything job related....

 

C'mon I'm not that bad! specially for internet standards:lol::nod:

No doubt, most of the people in my class fits that description, but just like the gearhead getting an MBA to easily get into the automobile industry, I'm studying so I can get into the IT industry without having to deal with dumb execs that speak in a lenguage that I cant understand.

Just look at the Amiga history and you'll see how some powerful yet ignorant execs can destroy one of the coolest ideas ever.

In the future I may get into law school so I can also understand how the legal system works...

 

How about in Civil Engineering?

 

Not even that. Most of Tennessee is country, and it takes decades to get a job done that should only take months (There is road work near us that has been going on for 10 years now and still isn't done). Not to mention the state government has a bunch of screwed up policies (Many people here have been fighting for construction on new apartments to be halted).

Seriously, the only thing here is factory jobs, minimum wage, and state jobs, and all have serious issues when compared to other states.

 

Well, I wouldn't say I'm bitching about not having a job or making tons of money. I just felt compelled to share my story to this community I feel a part of.

And its not just about having an MBA. I've got some interesting experiences under my belt ie. ~ 4 years customer service, 7 years in entertainment, volunteer work, work in a political action committee. I'm not trying to toot my own horn. I'm just showing the other side of the spectrum. Here I have some decent experience with 3 degrees and I'm having trouble finding a job. Yet there are others without any degrees and they're the ones in corporate running the companies into the ground. I'm not saying they are incapable of making sound business decisions. It has happened many times. But, it also might be a product of the market right now. I know of quite a few people who are in the same boat as I am, ie. good education and experience and no job.

I'm not saying I expected to have a cushy job right out of school. I just didn't think it would take this long. It does sometimes make me question my decisions to go to school. But then again, I feel there is no substitute for good education. Put it this way. It doesn't hurt to further educate yourself.

 

That's not just a "people with MBA" problem" that's a "people" problem. People like to think that they know it all. When in reality, they don't have a clue.

 

Just teasing mate

 

While I've heard the theory on the MBA raising the average salary and all that shit, the only thing I've heard from people that actually have one is "it was the biggest waste of money in my life". I guess it depends on where you're going to work. If you're going to work in some bullshit, Starbucks-laden office (where most people work, unfortunately) then I can see where it would come in handy. I work at a lean and mean office (low personnel -- everyone fucking works). Nobody cares about anyone's education. We brought two gals from Japan that didn't have degrees even. I've had quite a few jobs, and experience has always trumped education.

But when you say "further their careers" isn't that just a fancy way of saying "getting them in the door" for an interview for a higher position? In a big company, it's a similar thing. You have to get noticed somehow, and yeah, sometimes a higher education degree is necessary. I've kind of built a niche and I doubt an MBA is really going to help me at this point. Anything a manager in the industry I'm in would learn what he needs to know from working his way up. It's a problem-solving job, and can't be taught in a classroom. That would obviously be my spiel in an interview for such a job too.

The obvious truth... and I mean this with the utmost sincerity and sympathy for your situation: The sticks (South, Red States or whatever) is no place for immigrants.... especially Arabs. Why did you guys move from the city anyway?

 

Yeah, I understand where you are coming from. And to each their own. If you don't feel an MBA would be worth your while, then it won't. Each situation is unique. I'm sure, as you stated, that there are positions where an MBA isn't required or even necessary. But my point is that it can't hurt to get more education. At least that's my philosophy, but you don't have to share it.

As I said, I can't argue with you on your specific situation because each is unique. But when I say "further their careers", I'm moreso meaning those that already have jobs and some experience. Then, by either request of the employer, or themselves, they pursue further education. I think this is where more education would come in handy. But as I stated, not in all situations would this even be ideal.

I also agree with you on experience. There are things you have learned when you have gotten considerable experience that aren't taught in the classroom. But I also think the opposite is true. There are certain things taught in the classroom that you don't learn while on the job.

Also, as I side note, I think you have me confused with someone else.

*edit - unless I mistakenly thought you were speaking to me when you weren't...

 

reminds me of safeway/. people who make it through the winter usually never quit. if they quit they move far away.haha

good luck on future endevours festerfly. i'd go the self employed way or at least check it out as everyone says. i've been thinking of starting my own little part time buisness for a while now.

 

You'll not avoid those man. They are the bane of an IT professional's life. Make sure you get a sandwich course (i.e. one that gives you internships). That is how you will land a job quickly. Experience is the key to IT success, I'm sure in most other industries.

A degree is also very important in the current IT job market. If you can get a certification, all the better.

 

Now you mention IT (get it?:lol I was thinking about getting a degree in software engineering in the near future.

 

Don't those only count if you leave voluntarily?
I can't see how it could be legal to just sack someone and say they can't work for someone else. If they paid you off to leave then that would be different.

 

redundancy was what I had in mind

 

That's not leaving voluntarily. I think the general consensus is you can't *quit* and go work for a competitor for X weeks/months. If you're smart (and good enough) you should somehow work your salary into your non-compete. You will basically not work for however long it says, so you might as well get them to pay you.

 

Sorry guy....no PC at home so missing out on a lot of this as limited time to search at work or on my mobile or psp etc

If you are ever in my neck of the woods we must have that beer

We can both cry into our beer

 

Cheers VA,

Well teh good news is i now have a new job!!!

I get to work from home, i am my own boss (to a degree) and am well chuffed...

Long live getting the sack! lol