No Nintendo Revolution at E3..wtf

You guys are missing the obvious, Nintendo is in trouble, and if the Revolution doesn't rekindle some sales it'll problably be thier last console outing. Of the three consoles out now GC is the one that's dying frist. I would really hate to see Mario 128 come out on PS3. That would break my heart.

 

I have been progressivly loosing faith in Nintendo sense about '98. All they ever do is recycle their old characters anymore. This gen Pikmin is the only new franchise they have made, and their 3rd party support is dwindling at an alarming rate. In fact I think this is the first time I can remember seeing a month where a 'living' console had no titles due to come out, which is certanly not a good sign.

I bought the DS at launch, mainly due to it being something a bit different then what I was used to, and I thought showed promis. But, without any software to back it up it has just been collecting dust. When I do use it its almost always for GBA games, and not DS ones (Oh, and I don't agree that a remake of a nearly 10 year old game and one that takes about 2-3 hours to beat can be considered a good launch lineup). I don't own a PSP, but its got a much more appealing lineup of games to me then the DS has atm.

For some reason they always do good with their 2D based consoles, but all their 3D ones have a problem where they don't get anywhere near the same size game libraries as their competition does.

 

While i cant deny they've been rehashing, in addition to pikmin there is (off the top of my head):

Warioware
Animal Crossing
Metroid (not new, but certainly not the same as previous games)
Advance Wars (west only)

The problem is not the rehashing - its the ratio of new games to rehashes - Both 3rd and 1st party. For nintendo to become a sony they need the GTA's, Gt's and MGS's. Gaming has changed so much that nintendo can never be the same as NES/SNES days - top consoles with great games.

For me the best way for nintendo to progress is not to try to aim for the X360/PS3 market - instead it is to aim for where they have succeeded so well in the past with gameboys - Cheap, Easy fun gaming.

And the final thing - Sell the games cheaper - If they were £40 for the first 2 months, then progressively dropped down to £15 within 18months, So many more people would buy the games - You should see how many people buy £25 for 2 games GBA carts where i work, or the nes classics games, simply because per game they are the same price as other entertaqinment (CD's, DVD's, Cinema etc.)

 

Isnt warioware a wario game? (that funnny guy from mario games?)

Also isnt Animal crossing a sequel to an old game? or is it totaly new?

 

Animal crossing is completely new. The point on warioware is that its a new, orginal series - cannot be compared to the other games with wario in as it is completely different

 

If you want the head of the king of rehashes of prequels of sequels of spin-offs of sequels that are already remices of sequels, kill capcom. I enjoy some of their franchises, but with over than 90 megaman titles, remixes, spin-offs, collections, prequels and ports spread over almost every big name consoles, you can't be wrong.

 

It could be me, but I enjoyed about every Capcom game that I've played. I think they're an example of how to make *good* sequels and spin-offs (the VS series were brilliant, imho) - I can't think of a Capcom equivalent of Mario Volleyball or what's it name, really.

 

like another member he said on another thread: i can't belive how capcom where able to sell 6 times the same game to the world (speaking of megam man on the nes), if you have one of those megaman on nes and want the other ones (we all know they're rare and too much expansive), you just need to copy the bosses faces with the help of internet on a sheet, cut it and place the faces on your tv. i think this was very well said.

and we could speak about all the ''different'' version of street fighter 2 released, by exemple, i think they where about to release: Super Hyper Tournament Edition Street fighter II turbo-ver. B : Same old Chun-li with new clothes colors+ one new tunt!!11! but they decided to make a prequel... sad, but true. :smt043

 

How about Megaman soccer?

Anyway, the use of known icons is a called a franchise, and the entire industry does it. Nintendo's happen to be older (most tie-in franchises are films with a limited shelf life), but really, I've heard so many times here that gameplay is more important than graphics - why does Nintendo get so much flak, then, for using the same image base for their games?

 

the grahpics and image isn't the same thing. were just tired to see mario everywhere, no mather if it's on 64 bits or 128.

 

It exists?? :smt1069 Oh my!
I was referring to, and we have had this debate again, the fact that *personally* I think every new Street Fighter game adds something of value to the former, but that might just be me. Same also goes for Resident Evil, Dino Crisis, Gigawing, Onimusha, and several others if I hadn't drank too much wine :smt043

 

does the WHOLE interweb has "NINTENDO IS TEH D00M3D" itis or what?

Nintendo are doing fine, they make the most profit in games out of the three console makers, they are second only to EA is game sales, and have like 7 billion in the bank... sure they aren't Microsoft with money coming out of everywhere, and whilst Sony is HUGE, they are also in a buttload of debt and posting huge losses... Nintendo has posted losses what? TWICE? in 100 YEARS!...

If you take total hardware sales with handhelds included, Nintendo has been doing EXTREMELY well.

Sure they are not without problems, they have made countless mistakes this generation and last, but they apear to be learning... They learnt from the 64 era that Carts are not such a great idea, and moved to optical media, and on their first try made a quick loading, and for the most part pirate proof system (i realise its not been pirated, but its in a much better condition than the other two). They changed Zelda when everyone bitched about the cell shading, they have admitted to screwing up as far as not going online, and yes they do have an annoying addiction to whoring out Mario to every possible genre of game in existance... but at least they are different genres and offer some degree of difference, as pointed out Capcom are quite the little rehash crew... (on a depressing note, the whole bloody industry seems to be getting sequalitis and rehash disease)

Look, Nintendo is far from a perfect Company, but Sony and Microsoft are not perfect either.

Just don't count them out yet... at least withhold your judgement until the Revolution is shown at E3, for all we know it could be the greatest thing EVER... it could equally be a total piece of crap, but I'm hopefully its the former.... ^_^

 

Maybe you should say you're tired of seeing Mario everywhere instead of saying we're tired of seeing Mario everywhere. I don't really care if Nintendo uses Mario a lot, as long as the game is good, and they usually are. After all, Nintendo is all about quality, and Mario Usually means quality. I have been wanting a sequel to SSBM for a while now, but they will probably wait to put it on revolution.

- EDIT -

I had to do some rewording. I hope that clears some stuff up.

 

Oh well, as long as there's 2+ people in a group, you\i can say we, and if we started to talk about this, it's because there was other people having the same opinion as me.

...still waiting for the release date of mario baseball... nah, really, i would like it better if nintendo would stop making those anc concentratre to make a game that could beat mario 64, or even doing themselves sequels to their main characters games, like star fox or even another decent mario kart ( the only mario spin-off i can stand, with the other exception of mario rpg) , and not give them to namco. if it wasn't of these place mario here projects, The new legend of zelda would maybe have been released way before it will, wich could have made the ngc more popular
before it last days. Now it's the time to add IMO here, before i get sued again. :fu


im still glad you're back though.

cahaz.

 

'Warioware' is different, but it latches itself onto Nintendos old Wario character.
'Animal Crossing' isn't new, its just a translated version of the Japanese N64 game 'Animal Forest' emulated on the Gamecube.
I like the Metroid Prime games alot, and they are certanly different from the originals, but its still Metroid.
'Advance Wars' is simply the continuation of what was previously a jap-only game series.

Yes, franchises are common in the industry, and gameplay is more important (imo) then graphics. But, people like to see new things from time to time. Franchises have to keep relativly true to their original formula or they risk isolating their fans, which means that their is not much room for change without removing what makes a particular franchise what it is. Nintendo forgot this rule a long time ago, and due to this are placing their characters in every new game they make, which ends up making their game libraries have a 'been their, done that' quality to them.

Yes, they are doing fine financialy (although from what I have heard they have 6 billion in the bank, not 7), but what with their new found competition in the handheld market, and their dwindling 3rd party support, the question is for how much longer will they be able to turn a profit. They may still be making money, but the ammount they are making is dropping, and will very possibly go into the negatives in the not-so-distant future.

"They learned that carts are not such a great idea"...While as the cost of producing carts was a problem, space restrictions were also a major one, and they didn't learn that. And actualy, The gamecube I find to in most cases be almost exactly he same speed loading wise as its competition (Nintendo didn't apparently realise that data on the outer rim of discs is read faster, not the inner area). As for piracy, yes they did a good job stopping it, but they alienated a viable market by doing so (the homebrew community often lures people to buy particular consoles, xbox being a good example).

 

why can't we just see nintendo making new faces? don't know, why can't they think of doing new games, new things, new caracters? is this impossible or what? Not that i remember. Take beyond good and evil by exemple, made by ubisoft. the only fresh thing nintendo made on this gen was pikmin, is this enough? no.

while i love miyato, i'm sure they can find another guy who could bring a fresh new look to nintendo, while still keeping their old faces, and miyato, but without placing them everywhere. yeah, i know who you're thinking of, but he's still miyato's aprentice, while miyato as a prof seems a good thing, it can be as well, a bad thing.

 

Nintendo does try to make new faces in some of their games, but Mario is the most popular, so he is used a lot. I would like to see Nintendo bring the full Fire Emblem series over here for a change. I would buy every one of them.

 

I don't see why everyone has the balls to bitch about any given company, their practices, and "what they need to do". Don't like it? Buy 51% of the stock and come up with a better game plan. Until then, don't buy their fucking games if you hate them so bad, and try not to be so much like 'teh 90% of teh oth3r p30pl3' on the intenet. It makes gamers look bad.

A little bird (in the form of a person in my forums) mentioned that the new GC Fire Emblem game would indeed be released in the west.

 

the new fire emblem on ngc will indeed be released in the west,

as for Gaijin punch's comments, i never said i didn't liked them, but i'm just trying to express my opinion, can't i?

good and very well eated and spiced thread by the way, keep it up! (nowhere near to the flames though (well, i hope))

cahaz

 

Well I have seen bitch'fests on this subject before, and this isn't one of them. I think people here are just trying to state and agree with one another on what we, the consumer, would like them to do. I don't see a problem in general opinions ammoung a companies fan base as to what they would like done, if anything it shows that people want to see them succeed.

A company that ignores the needs and wishes of its consumers is one that eventualy dies.