origins of protos - more coming

Ever since I came back from my 6 year absence, it's all been nothing but excitement back in the world of neogeo. I have always done my best to create hype and make the neo more fun and interesting.

I showed the photos and told people many times that I came back only because we were selling EVERYTHING (our personal aes stock, neo cds, neo music cds, all our extra aes cases: original and snaplock, various collectibles, arts, and the protos).

Here is just a few samples of the posts where I mentioned we recently sold Last Odyssey and that is was going to be released soon:


Our FLASH cartridge was sold
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31913&page=8
04/26/2011
post: 153
The point is moot because we recently sold our only copy (flash memory) of Last Odyssey.


Last Odyssey sold and being released
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31913&page=21
05/09/2011
post 414
FYI, and for the people you're speaking for who may have an interest in procuring and preserving unreleased titles, Last Odyssey has been sold to someone planning on making a release.


Unreleased Game Footage
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23106&page=7
03/04/2011
post 133
The footage you see floating around the internet of Fun Fun Brothers, Mystic Wand, Bang Busters, Last Odyssey, are all from (NGF), from many, many years ago. Before there was a youtube, we offered NGF Promo Videos for people. This way people could see a game in action and decide if they wanted to invest. The first promo tape NGF made was in 1996, NeoGeo Collectors Tape, and the last was Zupapa, Bang Busters, Last Odyssey back in 2001. I really did my best to inform the neo fans.


7 carts to evaluate
Zupapa info page: 2001
http://www.ngfusa.com/zupapa/zupapa.htm

Q: What makes this game so special?
A: .....The games they sent us to evaluate were Zupapa, Band Busters, Last Odyssey, Crossed Swords 2, Warlocks of the Fates, Zintrick, and Ghostlop. Of all those titles, the strongest were Zupapa, Zintrick, Ghostlop, and Last Odyssey (in that order). So our first recommendation was for Zupapa.
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10 year buzz heard round the world!!
That's exactly what and why we did it. Pure promotion. We had many videos and games being played and shown to draw in the crowd and create a buzz (at our NGF booth at the CGE), for NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA, that has now lasted almost 10 years!!! It was genius.

LegGit, that's the magic question.

Torn label, for lost game.
The "torn" label and hand written title was how we wanted the game to look as for promotion. Something of the "lost" game found in secret cave, beneath a ton of files and old manuscripts. Like the findings of the dead sea scrolls or the unfinished portrait of George Washington.








NGF, By Design
Everything NGF has ever said and done, has all been well orchestrated and part of an overall design. Something as simple as a "torn" sticker on an unreleased game still has people talking a decade later.

I remember the first few days after the CGE, so many people were talking about the "torn label." It was all for marketing and promotion (and it was tremendously successful!!)
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I never posed or had my photograph taken and acted as if I was playing the game. That being said, I can't explain why others may have.

But not everyone acted as if they were playing the game. Some people just posed next to the screen.



It was (back in 2002) 10 years ago and people must have been excited to see the game in action for the very first time. So almost everyone at our CGE2K2 booth took photos with the Last Odyssey.

We also sold many copies of our NGF Promo video (vhs tape) to many collectors. The footage shown on youtube and on other various neo proto pages is all from our NGF Promo Video tape series.
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And you claim not to read NG forums? You are a pecker.

People should read the real story brewing on those forums.

Oh, and please stop claiming that you had ANY involvement with NCI and B2B. I've asked them explictly, their cart DID NOT come from you, and COULD NOT have ever come from you / been in your hands.

(Lady front bottom)

Edit - I do like the old worn out line

sold to NGF In-Circle members only

which explains why noone has ever heard of your supposed protos out there. Make some shit up, claim to sell it to non-existant bum lickers. You are class Dion, albeit the wrong class.

(Personally I find your lies quite offensive now. Look around this forum, there are lots of people here who do actually hunt down and release protos, people for whom sharing knowledge is a passion, not some trussed ego trip spattered with lies. Your behaviour is rather disgusting truth be told, trying to gain some credibility via this forum and the effort and passion of others. Fortunately most people know what you actually are, certainly those who care, and by extension 'matter', do. Sickening.)

 

Why create this topic when I think you don't show/talk of any new things? You said origins of protos, but then post nothing to back/show that (just speak of the same things as before).

For example, You speak about Last Odyssey again, but it's just with the same old talk/pictures you always use. Nothing new. Nothing to show/back up the things you say. Is it so difficult to - are forget it, I'm tired of all this stuff.

 

Everything comes true
How many times can I show photos of the boards or show screen shots? The game is from 1995 and is old news. All I did was show direct links to when I said that we had sold Last Odyssey 8 months ago and that it would soon be released. And everything I said has come true.

Not seeking credit
Neither Chris nor myself has ever tried to imply or take credit for any of these rom dump proto releases. All we have ever mentioned is that we had these games from about 10 years ago. We even provided NGF Promo videos of all games, further proving that we did in fact have these games.

NGF saved the neo
I'm happy to see people still keeping up the interest in the neogeo system. But it if wasn't for Chris and myself, as NeoGeoFreak, the system would be all but dead. Only NGF had the foresight to buy out all of the old SNK stock during their bankruptcy and we also saved all the arts and protos from many years ago that otherwise would have been thrown away.

Question: Did NGF have anything to do with Last Odyssey roms being dumped and sold on a one on one basis?
Answer: No. Not at all. We had nothing to do with the Last Odyssey roms being dumped.

Question: Did the cartridge originate from NGF?
Answer: Yes. NGF was the only known and verified owners of Last Odyssey proto dating back to 2001. We provided people with photos of the proto boards, we provided full length promo videos, we had the game available for In-Circle member sales, and we sold the flash rom cart 8 months ago and I openly said "It would soon be released."

How could I know so precisely that Last Odyssey would soon be available, after being so guarded for the previous 17 years?
05/09/2011
I openly said it was sold and will soon be released. And with 8 months, voila!!! The game magically is released. I said it 05/09/2011

Fact as, Fact can
Those are the facts.
NGF didn't do the dump nor are we trying to take credit for it.
But the cartridge did originate from NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA.
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You said the game is from 1995 and is old news, but then you used it strongly in your posts. If it's seen like that, just old news, why bring it up? Though I guess I already know the answer to that.

Do you really not see? The pictures you used, and continue to use didn't prove anything 100%. Don't you get that? For example, the picture of the game running, or a video playing, you know, the one with the "torn" label. Which was it? Don't you see? Keep posting them, keep repeating the same things. The things that people don't trust in, or believe to be true. It is not just for this game, but many things. Can't you understand that? But then, something tells me you do. It keeps people talking about you, about NGF, and that's all that seems to matter to yourself.

And I think to say "but it if wasn't for Chris and myself, as NeoGeoFreak, the system would be all but dead" is really wrong, and nowhere near true at all.

 

I brought it up because that the topic of the day is the private roms sales that are currently being done.

Do you guys really have no concept of what's going on? It's all so obvious.
Just give it a few more weeks. I'll explain it all in detail.
Mark this date and remember these explanation lines:

Triumphal.....
negotiated deal / read between the lines
Current tallies of ......
....this coming in from, so did the people we're.....
....made my return. That type of.....
......to finalize a few........
History r........ts
scene boomed bigger....

Anyone with logic should have been able to connect the dots early on.

I came back and unreleased games appeared within months of me stating they would.
Some very well known neo people already know a lot of these details and they'll probably speak up when it's all said and done.

Read the 3 quotes in my signature carefully.
Steve Jobs' quote fits perfectly. We've never let the noise of other people get in the way of our intuitions and ideas. We always had the courage to follow our own path.

Yes, We are NeoGeoFreak

 

What exactly was the purpose of this thread? Did some NeoGeo prototype recently hit the internets and get added to MAME?

 

Oh haha, I remember that. And the discussions made by people who bought a copy and opened up the AES carts.

I still want those goddamn art stickers/sheets/data from the MO discs/whatever they are. Zupapa had lovely artwork.

 

There you go, and good for you for remembering the Zupapa page from 11 years ago. All of the writing has always been right in front of everyone. I'm glad your one of the people brave enough to speak up and admit to remembering older/original posts. Even the playmore press release states the proto games that we always had available.

Contact me if you're interested in some of the Zupapa arts.
dion@ngfusa.com or join NeoGeoFreak facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/NeoGeoFreak
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I think you just created this topic to show that you have/had a place in what is going to happen soon regarding protos, and you just want people to know that. Why not keep the private ROM sales private if that's what they are, private. But I think if that happened then your name wouldn't be mentioned, or be known that you helped in someway, no matter how little.

Even if your part was only to sell the game, you still need people to know that, to place yourself in another part of Neo Geo history. To make sure your name is mentioned/included.

 

Tonk over at the NG forums is about to release Last Odyssey, and now this clown wants to take credit as usual.


JS

 

Dion answers your lies now .....

On neo-geo.com , You claim " Bang Busters - soon released, sold by NGF to NCI "

You never gave the B2B to NCI !

 

Last Odyssey is out on people´s hands now. Why don´t you talk about in game specifics that are not available in the VHS demo tape?

Take it as a way to prove you ever had this game at some point.

 

im confused, is this guy claiming credit for something he hasn't done then? or is he trying to get more credit than deserved, can anyone explain?

@Dion - seriously don't quote yourself in your sig, doesn't present you in a good light, especially a 12 year old quote at that

 

I think he is trying to connect himself to it just from belief that the cartridge originated from NGF but had nothing to do with anything else. So that's his angle to get his name in or whatever.

 

Pretty much. As with everything NGF it's a muddle of overstatement and lies.

He claims way back when to have had protos of numerous Neo Geo titles.

Two of these are Bang Bang Busters and Lost Odyssey.

He claims that way back when, he made some carts of each of these and sold them to 'in-circle' (aka arse kissing losers) NGF people, although given the numbers of carts he claimed he made, no actual evidence has been shown that these carts exist. If there are 50 carts of a game out there it simply doesn't slip under the cracks for 10 years, never to be heard of! Point me to another system where 6-8 games with cart runs of 50 are never seen.

Additionally pretty much all 'evidence' he has shown to 'prove' he once owned these protos, has pretty much been debunked as bullshit. Staged pictures of people 'playing' games when in fact it was a video played on a TV, cheap lies like that.

What has happened more recently is that these two protos - BBB and LO - have indeed surfaced.

A new team called NCI obtained a copy of BBB (aka Bang 2 Busters), completed the title (the proto was like 90% there), and released copies for sale. Dion and the other moron that comprised the pathetic NGF enterprise claim the copy that NCI have, came from them.

That is a big fat lie. I have B2B from NCI, have exchanged numerous emails with them, and they have confirmed categorically that Dion had nothing to do with their B2B. Furthermore, from what they have said, it is 99% that the proto they found could NEVER have been owned by Dion etc.

As regards Lost Odyssey - a member on another forum (who is a former mod from here) has found a proto of it. Again Dion is trying to claim that he had a part in this. The member on another forum has stated it is nothing to do with Dion etc. That would be a bit of he said she said, but for the fact that the person who unearthed LO is a serious NG community man, who has played a part in the Ghostlop release, and was responsible for the NG technical docs that are out there now.

This other person - actions. Dion - words. One of these carries weight in the eyes of the sensible, one does not.


Trouble is, by continuing to post on Dion's threads, we are unfortunately falling into the NGF trap. He doesn't give a shit about truth, all he wants is PR. He seems to think that even all the criticism he receives is like food from the gods.


Bottom line - Dion is telling porkies yet again.

Bottom line - don't reply to such threads*. Stop feeding the ego (even though no sensible person sees a post pretty much calling said person a piece of shit as a good thing!!!), and hopefully the ego will fuck off and die.

(*I'm aware how shockingly hypocritcal I am lol..but I just like calling shit, shit tbfh!)

 

Mike/tonk isn't releasing anything. He never had that game, or any other unreleased games. All he is doing is forwarding the link of the rom file.

Read post #7 in this thread.

Question: Did NGF have anything to do with Last Odyssey roms being dumped and sold on a one on one basis?
Answer: No. Not at all. We had nothing to do with the Last Odyssey roms being dumped.


Some people need to relax.
I've always said I dont dump and upload roms. I've said that on many occasions.
I came here, NGF sold Last Odyssey, and now that game has been dumped. Isn't that what people wanted? We're happy with the sale, and everyone else should be happy with the rom dump.

This shouldn't turn into the [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Spanish Inquisition over the sale and dumping of a video game.[/FONT]
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Again Mr Dion .. answer your lies now !

On neo-geo.com , You claim " Bang Busters - soon released, sold by NGF to NCI "

You never gave the B2B to NCI ! please dion answer ... why you lie ?

 

Since my last post was strategically skimmed, I´m going to make this one big enough.



So, what you have to say for yourself, it´s now time to prove you had this game for real, not just some VHS footage of it. Please make it fast btw, it´s only a matter of time before teh romz leaks out.

 

I've never experienced such a group of whiners in my life. It's a video game.
First: I don't post at ng.com, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
Second: Bang Busters did indeed originate from the NGF sale.
Third: Using the term "lie" and/or "liar" in reference to someone without knowing all the details makes you look foolish, childish, and shows a lack of personal education.
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