PC virus help....

Cut his fingers off!

As for the whole Mac thing....

First virus: Creeper, 1971. OS: TENEX (DEC PDP-10)
First virus in the wild: Elk Cloner, 1982. OS: Apple DOS 3.3 (Apple II)
First IBM PC virus: Brain, 1986. OS: MS-DOS (IBM PC)

I think nVIR might have been the first Mac virus, released in 1987. So yes, it's complete rubbish that Macs don't have viruses... they always have! And there was ARF-ARF for IBM PC in 1983 - it was a trojan horse.

 

Educate him...

Why let him repeat the same mistakes over and over again?

Spend an afternoon with him and get him to just do some casual browsing and tell him to be on alert and to question everything. Eventually he'll learn what's native to a site and what's not. Also teach him how to fix issues when they go wrong.

I own a Mac now but back in my MS days I never got any viruses because I had good browsing habits. When I do jump over to my Windows partition from time to time I don't use anything but MS Security essentials and that's because it's installed as default.

 

There has been a lot of malware that MSE never caught that Avast and MBAM, especially, caught in my experiences.

 

The old Macs were wonderful hosts for viruses - they had no permission model, no task isolation and best of all you could add an INIT resource to any executable and the system would helpfully load it for you at boot time. The security model was considerably improved with the move from 68k to PPC, though.

 

Look, just do what I did when my grandmother kept messing up the computer I loaned her.. I threw xubuntu on and tried my best to make everything intuitive as possible so she wouldn't have to use the terminal; it was a pain in the ass at first since it was too different from the norm for her; however, once she got use to it after a few weeks of her calling me asking how to do stuff, it was totally worth it.

Going on six months without any major issues; however, she never clicks on ads since I put ABP, noscript, and karmablocker on her browser. These plugins will save you a lot of trouble as well, and would be a great alternative to another operating system; although, noscript confuses people that have no idea how to use it, so it'll be annoying to teach someone how to use it at first if they're techtarded.

If you're going to stick with Windows, I highly suggest that you look into obtaining one of the older revisions of norton ghost so you can make a compressed image/backup if the HDD, this saves a lot of trouble and you can set it up like a dual operating system and boot into the recovery when you turn the computer on; I know norton typically sucks, but this product is pretty nice and has a surprisingly fast restoration process, only takes a few minutes.

If you have the image backed up with all the essential programs installed, drivers, updates, you'll love how simple and head ache free it is to restore. I tend to do this for a lot of computers I repair so the person can restore their computer with the click of a button.

If this approach isn't for you, I suggest getting a second HDD that the person using the computer can switch over to with ease if they fuck up the installation on their main HDD. Or you can partition a high capacity HDD with a multitude of Windows installations that they can switch between, so if they fuck one up, they have several to fall back on.

When you're dealing with an idiot fucking computers up constantly, it's best to give them a load of simple options so they won't have to bug you If one of these methods isn't enough, I suggest taking the time to implement them ALL, so your dad will hopefully never need your help again

You might be saying to yourself at this point that doing all of this is overkill for anyone, no matter how George W. Bushy they are.. Well, it's not overkill, it saves a lot of time, and it'll make for a great opportunity to showcase your 1337 idiot management skillz and tech wizard mojo. You'll be revered by your family, for being the guy that can make a computer idiot proof and fixable by even a turtle. You are the restorationmeister

 

The Mac OS X have no virus in the wild after 10 years and counting, however the earlier OSs like System 7, Mac OS 8 and, Mac OS 9 did have a few viruses.
Now the Mac OS X does have a handful of malware (trojans), but with some common since and you can avoid those malware.

But as the MacBook and AirBook are getting popular, I don't know how long that saying that Mac OS X and completely virus free.

=hugh

 

They're no where near being virus free, you obviously don't know anything about the OS.

 

http://guides.macrumors.com/Mac_Virus/Malware_FAQ

-Hugh

 

You obviously don't know much then...

Even the latest Mac OS is getting enough shit now to make Windows look good...

Difference is numbers of machines "in the wild".

 

See link above your post. Malware and Trojans are not viruses, the only two trojans that can be installed with out the user permission
are JAVA Applets, bug if you keep your JAVA updated this shouldn't be a problem. The other malware/trojans need to trick the user to
install them, by saying they need to install something and fooling the user to type in the password giving them permission.

=hugh

 

Really? I think not.

Macs can and do get "virus" infections now.

Virus here means anything that fucks the machine up and/ or steals data.

 

LOL BRO THATS WHY I BROUGH A MAC

Serious though it was a good investment.

 

Idiot in the first link capitalising "MAC". It's not an acronym.

From reading those two links, it looks like the solution to getting viruses on Macs is to not install Java, and to not install pirated copies of Office.

 

Yeah, because the title of an article on a website that's not even HIS makes him an idiot; you act like he has control of it and should have hacked it to edit it or he's stupid. Go away, this forum doesn't need people who insult people for something that has NOTHING to do with the person being insulted.

Not to mention, I hit CTRL+F and typed in java, nothing was found.. Did you even read the links, or are you just a fail troll?

EDIT: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it you didn't read it and you're just trying to look cool and superior, way to fail bro. Seems like you pulled that information out of your ass due to him quoting hugh's post and providing those links as a retort.. You didn't read jack, so don't pretend you did, you'll just get trolled.

EDIT 2.0: Ah, nothing mentioned about Microsoft Office either, you're on the fail train all the way to derp derp town.

 

Um.

Are you insane?

The blog belongs to "Dr Tech".

The article is signed thus: J D Redmond ~ "Dr Tech"

So tell me then, where do you get "not even HIS" from?

Are you implying that I thought sonicdude10 wrote it? If so, perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, oh dear!

The story by "Dr Tech" contains this:

The links to TechSpot regards "Pintsized", which uses a (now patched) exploit in Java to infect machines.

The link to the Huffington Post talks about "Flashback", another piece of malware using a Java exploit.

Later in the article, he links to one of those "Top Ten" style lists of the history of Mac viruses. Mentioned here is the widespread OSX.Iservice trojan, included in illegal copies of iWork 09 (Not MS Office, so my mistake there.)

Additionally, the OTHER article linked by sonicdude10, stating this:

Links to another KSL article discussing SabPub, yet another Java exploit related trojan.



So, C-Kronos, if you want to play Internet Detective, do a little better than CTRL-F on the first page of a link. Lest you wind up with your foot firmly in your mouth.

Or to put that in language you might understand "Troll harder. Heh heh heh."

Edit: Fixed a few AutoCorrect related problems.

 

Am I missing something here? He is quite clearly calling the editor of the article an idiot for capitalizing each letter of Mac, as if it were an acronym. No where do I see him linking that editor to a member of this forum.

Also, as per your signature, you are coming off as an arrogant jerk. Calm down.

 

You were referring to his post and did not specify anything about "Dr Tech.." According to your grammar, you were referring to the guy you were replying to, that's where I got "not even HIS" from. Maybe you need to work on your comprehension of the English language before insulting my reading comprehension.

Keep in mind that while the article did mention FLASHBACK, pintsized, etc, not everyone is aware of what they are and their affiliation with Java. The article did not specifically mention Java, nor did it go into detail about the exploits used by the viruses, trojans, etc.

>.> I could be wrong, but unless sonic linked another article in that post besides those two, sabpub was not mentioned; however, there was a hyperlink to another article in the article he posted that does discuss it, but the article he posted had it as a reference to Mac OS getting viruses as an example, not directly discussing sabpub or even it's function and how it works.

I did read the articles, not only used CTRL-F, hence the multiple edits of my post. You specifically stated that "from reading those two links," implying you got ALL of your information from just those two links, not others. You should learn how to clarify the meaning behind what you're saying and specify who you're referring to.

Also, if people regurally updated Java, the vulnerabilities would be patched and they wouldn't run into these issues, so avoiding the installation of Java is unnecessary. If you don't want people to interpret what you're saying in a manner other than what you intended, then be sure to be specific and clarify what you're saying. I made my post based on the information that was in your post and those two articles, not anything else; you can't cite those two articles when you obtained a majority of your information from other articles.

To put this in a language you might understand: Fail troll is fail.

EDIT: I really do love when you state that "from reading those two links," that sonic referred to, a majority of your reply to me is about links to other articles.. It's actually kind of adorable, I want to hug you <3 Also, while this may come to you as a bit of a shock, I'm pretty sure that those articles only had one page, not multiple pages as you seemed to imply. If there's multiple pages of comments, that doesn't count as the article, and since most comments on the internet are baseless spam, it's not relevant to the topic at hand.

I can't wait for your next retort, I'm going to go prepare some popcorn and grab a beer

It is grammatically clear that he was referring to the guy he was replying to, not the editor of the article; I never said the editor of the article was a member of this forum, quite the opposite actually. Do you even know the meaning of the word arrogance? I am calm

 

Judging from your incredibly long winded replies & the obvious fact that you need to feel right all the time, even when shown how wrong you have been, I would say that you are not very calm. If you actually are, I would say you are probably oblivious to that.

How is it clear that he is referring to the person he is quoting when what he wrote points out the fact that the "idiot in the first link" capitalized Mac? If you actually investigated for 1 second, look at sonicdude's post and realize that his first link (that he literally typed out) does not even contain the word Mac.
That already destroys your initial argument saying it was unclear. Then, if you go further, take one more second to click the link and realize that a new website has opened which happens to be a blog written by someone (who we can easily assume is not sonicdude from this forum) who decided to capitalize Mac every time he wrote it.

No confusion whatsoever. Even if his grammar wasn't completely apt (which I edited to add that I am pretty sure it was), his statement was oh so obviously not pointing to the quoted individual with that first comment, & the sooner you accept that, the sooner you will see how pointless this really is.

 

I don't know how you still get "Person to whom I am replying" from "Idiot IN the first link".

As for the rest of your vilifying strawman nonsense, well, maybe you should re-consider grabbing that beer, it seems like you've had enough to drink already.

CrAzY is to be commended on his patience!

 

Check all of my posts on the forum, they're all "long winded." I don't need to feel right all of the time, and I haven't been shown to be wrong, I've just been shown how you and RetroSwim continue to be wrong. By the way, I'm perfectly calm, why would I be upset? Ohhh, typing a lot means I'm sooo angry, and I'm totally acting like I'm offended at the notion of being wrong, lol.

He should learn to use commas, because it could have been easily interpreted as "idiot, in the first link" not as "the idiot in the first link." I'm completely aware it wasn't written by sonicdude, I was referring to the alternative interpretation due to poor grammar in which it could have meant that sonicdude was an idiot because of "MAC."

It's really a matter of opinion due to the lack of proper sentence structure, there's nothing obvious about it, because he wrote it in a manner that contradicts any chance of it being obvious.

Please keep in mind that I don't care if his grammar isn't perfectly apt, I just expect he should at the very least use commas because it could end up causing multiple "legitimate" interpretations of his statements.

Also, the link to the article itself has the word "macs," which one would assume is the plural form of mac; you get an A for effort though.

It really seems to me that you're the one who isn't very calm, since you need to feel right despite the fact that it's been shown you're unwilling to accept that his grammar left the interpretation of his statement open for anyone to decide. I get what you're trying to say, but you seem to be oblivious to the fact that your interpretation isn't the only valid interpretation.

EDIT: If this is pointless, why have you bothered to reply just to show you're wrong and lacking super cool dude calmness? I love you

Read my reply to CrAzY, lol. Anyways, I'm perfectly sober, I haven't even opened the beer yet; however, I do love how you seem to believe I'm intoxicated due to my reply to you, it's cute.

He doesn't seem to be all that patient to me, he seems to be butt hurt that he's failed to be right. How is the rest of my statement nonsense? I just pointed out some concrete facts that showed your comment was completely baseless as you cited links besides the two he had posted, despite the fact you implied that you got your information "from reading those two links."

Note: Anyways, if you two want to continue this discussion, please do so via private messaging; we shouldn't be flooding this topic with this "argument."