Just some pics I had of when the company I worked for returned most of the ps2 kit to Sony Don't know if you guys are interested in posts like this.
Wow, that's a few! You should have made a chair out of them! Actually... a sofa! lol Your post got caught by the auto-moderation system. It might have been the pictures. Bit of a pain, and it'll probably do it for the next few posts, but it'll sort itself out and, in the meantime, a moderator will approve your posts if they get moderated. Welcome, and thanks for sharing the pics!
If companies are bound by contract to return that hardware to SONY, how does some of these end on consumer market ? And do SONY pay you guys anything when you return these to them ? I am sure these are going to be grinded for recycling. (what a shame lol I could use one of these PS2 TOOLs)
Because some companies go out of business and things get missed. Some items walk out the doors before then too.
Vitas155: Noo! returned to Sony! Retro: Thanks, I had to take the pictures with so many in one place.(sorry about the quality) l_oliveira: AFAIR in the contract Sony still owns them all, you actually rent them if you paid any money for them (Test kits you did). I don't know if we got any incentive to return them, I think SONY requested them back, they probably only paid for shipping if anything. Borman: exactly. There are a lot of test kits especially that never make it back to Sony. Microsoft and Nintendo were less interested in old dev kits, we probably still have a few. We also returned a lot of PS3 dev/test kits, I used to have one of the giant beasts (1st generation ps3 kits) on my desk which I was very fond of
The main reason I can see them wanting these sent back is that they could end on the hands of people willing to reverse-engineer them. Because these have different firmware on the chips and some might be even easier to dump than retails, I totally understand their reasoning on wanting them back. Probably Nintendo and Microsoft don't see much of a threat to their business in having old development hardware being dealt with on black market. After the PS3 hacks, I BET SONY will have a VERY TIGHT GRIP and serious control on who has and use their development kits. Edit: What I meant is, they are only taking these back to make sure they're destroyed instead of being sold as collectibles. Nintendo and Microsoft aren't so worried about that because collecting old development kits mean spending money on collecting storing and destroying the units. If they don't deem the devices end exposed to the public as a menace to their business, why should them bother with collecting them ? The money your company paid in advance for the hardware was already more than what it did cost for them to put it together so leaving it be is more cost effective than come back to collect.
I'm sure they are going back to be destroyed (at least most of the test kits), they probably wouldn't of been bothered if it was 1 or 2 units - but they wouldn't want that stack of 210 going into the wild. It's not necessarily that they would be a menace at this point in the ps2s life cycle, its just part of house keeping. Really destroying or storing them is a minor cost factor considering how much money they have made overall. Maybe the cost of a test kit (at one point was £800 and towards the end £400? I can't remember exactly) includes the return / destruction.
Good point ! But we know, these are very likely to be instead kept by employees of the grinding plant .... LOL (the ones which look like standard PS2s might have a better fate than the three tool units lol)
Well a long time ago I worked for Sony in a different capacity, they were extremely security conscious when it came to destroying returned items, so its unlikely they would escape destruction (but you never know)
Well back when they were current gen stuff, sure. But now they're just old PS2s ... lol By the way encoded exif information on picture says the pic was taken in early 2013. So by now they're back to dust... lol
This was Jan 2013, this is just after the company shut down. The company dealing with the administration would of been looking for assets to sell, these of course were still owned by Sony. The machines wouldn't of been used since 2009, so Sony was quite happy for them to be left for quite sometime (maybe indefinitely?) had the company continued. We mainly used the ps2 kits as monitor risers
Yeah, I can't see them doing anything more than that with all that dust ! Certainly due to the nature of light, dust have a very strong effect on optically based drives. lol Thanks for posting the pictures btw and welcome to AG !
I'm surprised Sony still bothered - it was probably the sheer volume as you said. Did anything interesting get sold?
In the UK, as they only lent the equipment to the company then they can ask the administrators for it back. If they don't ask then it gets sold at auction and they no longer have a claim on the property. That is the only legal way they turn up. If they don't realise that it's in administration then they won't ask and it's treated as Sony's loss as they were careless. If they ask and it's missing, then nothing will happen as the company already has no money. However this brings us to, a lot of them are stolen. Trade shows are a problem as everyone is drunk and security is a nightmare. If you walk out with a previous generation console from your job then nobody will notice for a long time, but if at some point it's asked to be returned then your employer is liable to pay to replace the hardware (it has a ridiculously high value assigned to it). If you can't prove that it was bought through a liquidation auction then it's stolen property and selling it is a risk (it's a small risk, only a few people have ever had a major problem). I heard that Microsoft contacted everyone asking for the green xbox's back a few year ago, they didn't get many (or any) back and in the end they didn't ask the companies for money.
Nothing interesting sold that I know of, I work for the company that rose from the ashes and would of bought back some items. There are probably a few interesting bits of kit laying around.