Hey all, Hope this is an ok place to put this question: I've read you can disable HDCP on TEST PS3's and that some of the older 360 units also don't output HDCP via HDMI. I record footage in HD professionally and I'm looking at going from component to HDMI. Do Debug/Stress 360's have HDCP disabled as default? Anyone know the latest MFR dates on debug/Retail 360 kits for when HDCP was never enabled/first enabled? And I can't seem to find the remove HDCP setting on my TEST PS3... :redface: Many thanks in advance. :thumbsup:
X360 doesnt use HDCP as far as I know, so you can capture without any problems. With PS3 debug you should find a DHCP disable option in the settings menu.
Retail XBox 360 had HDCP over HDMI, as for XDKs I cannot say. Regardless there are HDCP strippers available. Not exactly cheap but neither are dev kits.
They dont, for games anyway. I have a late model Elite that works fine captured over HDMI. I cant speak for the Slims though.
It should also be noted that the Xbox 360 actually outputs nice component video, compared to the PS3 anyway.
Can I ask what capture card you are currently using? We have just recently upgraded our old card from 2004 to a nice new Colossus to record HDMI output from our satellite set top box. Nothing but good things to say about it, pretty sure (if you use it for games) it has a pass through setting so you experience no lag. If hdcp starts to get in the way (which by the sounds of it won't) there are devices such as hdfury.
Lolwut. The PS3 outputs excellent Video @ 720p and 1080p with component. 720p Quality over component on a 1080p set is of far higher quality than 720p over HDMI on a 1080 set.
Odd. I had a Falcon bearing HDMI that did in the dash and on games. I was restricted to 480p using an HDMI->DVI adapter to a monitor that didn't support HDCP. At least I'd swear it didn't work. I can confirm for sure that movies are limited to 480p unless you're using HDMI with HDCP. They're just upscaled to 720/1080i/p anyway so it isn't a huge loss. Unless your monitor does a poor scaling job in the first place like mine.
720p over HDMI on an LCDTv is like having an LCD monitor for your PC. Using any resolution other than the native usually doesn't look as good unless you are using an Analog CRT monitor which can adapt to the different resolutions easier. The logic is backwards but it's true , at least in my experience. Take Resident Evil 5 for example. 720p Over component aliasing is hardly noticeable and textures as well as everything look well rounded. I can play this easily and it looks amazing. As I have done a many times. 720p Over HDMI looks really jagged, everything looks really aliased and texture quality seems lower. It's really hard on the eyes with all the distracting aliasing and other junk. Now a game that displays in 1080p for example, FFXIII or MGS4 both look great in 1080p over HDMI, And MGS4 over Component 1080p looks good but benefits from the expanded Color space from YCbCr to RGB over HDMI. I haven't played FFXIII over component to test. And my PS3 is still broken so I can't futher test and take pictures. I also am aware that this doesn't make much sense either.
Ok. It's not true to claim as a universal truth that 720p component is "superior" to HDMI on digital 1080p sets, though. In this case the analogue losses from the component source are helping smooth out some of the rough edges of the lower resolution; in a perfect world the component signal should be visually identical to HDMI when at the same resolution. In the simplest terms, the only difference between component and HDMI is that the former adds an analogue phase in between the framebuffer on the console and the scaler on the set. As such, component is technically the inferior signal (as it is inherently lossy), though obviously the most preferable end result will all come down to personal taste. I'm probably telling you things you already know - just want to make sure we're on the same page, really.
Speaking of de-protection, I have a DHCP stripper from China. Takes HDMI input and outputs unprotected component video. Works great on my HDTV that doesn't support HDMI.
The jaggies are how the game looks. When it comes to capturing, you want it to look as good as you can. And the PS3 component output, on my launch model anyway, is not as good as the 360 using a capture card, which is what we are talking about, not your TV. The image is washed out and doesnt hold the detail that a 360 does over component. Again, this is talking about capturing, not your TV, which does all sorts of things to the image.
720p can be as soon in some cases as 1080p to the human eye, under certain conditions, blah blah. For example I booted up Jet Grind Radio through a VGA connection on my Dell 2405FPW. It has some issues with scaling such a low resolution with some obvious vertical bars, however the jaggies were extremely apparent at such a scaling. The good news was that I noticed things about the game I'd never noticed before. In the loading screens what I used to think was a green X on the bottom right? Yeh its actually a green guy with skates and a spray paint can. I never noticed that in the last decade because of crappy composite and crappy TVs.
Well yeah, I know that Component is Analog. And HDMI is superior technically speaking. But I still feel 720p on a 1080 set via HDMI looks better via Component. Not a perfect picture.(characters are moving. Thus the blur on the blurry spots.) Street Fighter IV on the 360. And if the PS3 on your capture card doesn't come in vibrant and clear enough (as it seems in nearly every comparison of the two) A small amount of color correction and contrast/etc changes can fix that easily. And most games offer a brightness slider at the least. And sometimes a contrast slider so you don't have to do anything.
I'm using the Blackmagic Intensity Pro and I'm currently capturing at 720p59.94 at the moment (using expensive IXOS component cables which have better shielding). I'm getting interference on my recordings which are starting to become more and more noticeable, so I'm looking to experiment using HDMI to capture instead (so I'm able to get a pure digital signal at up to 1080p). Thanks for the help everyone, much appreciated, should hopefully save me having to invest in a more expensive capture card unnecessarily :thumbsup:
If I had to take a guess, the colors between those two shots are slightly different with the HDMI colors being slightly more saturated. Component seems to apply a sort of smoothing out of edges that I can see more clearly in textures.
Yeah, you can't tell from the pictures but HDMI has more natural looking colors. On screen the greens are cooler(Somewhere between the HDMI green and Teal Green) on the component and more like this http://www.sonypspwalls.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/green.jpg in HDMI Also it doesn't show is that the texture on Blanka's Shorts is much more clearer via HDMI but the quality of the texture itself seems a bit lower because of that to me.
