Second global recession is coming

I have been unemployed for close to two years, and let me tell you the market is terrible where I live. A lot of people keep coming from out of town and taking crappy jobs I usually take to get by.

I am not kidding when I say guys with bachelors degrees are also applying for the dishwasher job. Almost every interview I have gone to it's been a ton of people applying for the same and everyone wishing good luck.

I have been even forced to sell a lot of my gaming stuff to get by(dream cast and Saturn stuff are staying but ps2 iffy atm). Can't complain though I don't pay for rent and I get free food at home so I am fortunate to be honest.

And the way things are looking financial aide is going to be gone in a couple of years so it looks like if I go back to school I'll have to wait till I can get a steady full time job (Those are going to be disappearing soon right?)

I'll be thankful if they hire me at Starbucks next week, thats how bad it is down here. It has been quite an experience looking for work, I was on unemployment myself but my benefits have been cut, which I am not complaining to be honest I knew it was going to happen eventually just thought I would of land a job by then.

But it pisses me off when people get welfare and they spend the money on booze or iphones. I was so pissed when I was on the trolley once coming home from work a long time ago and a group of people on welfare were discussing how to stay on it and still work.

 

You are going to love this then...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-welfare-20100701,0,6705176.story?track=rss

 

I saw that, I am glad they are stepping in and making sure that money is being used right.

 

With the exception of disability* they really need to crack down on who they give welfare to. Japan has a half-decent system where you get a few months when you lose your job. Companies are far more likely to give you a good severance as well. I was laid off of a job once and I gladly took my 3 months of unemployment even though I found my next job a few day later (but didn't work for a few months). Bitch at me all you want, but I was laid off on December 23rd, had my bonus I was expected to get cut down to about 1/3, and had paid plenty into unemployment taxes each month. Part of the system... I took my piece. To boot, this was at the end of a year that our small group of 50 or so people set profit records.

*as a former fat person, I can honestly say if you're getting disability for your weight alone is pathetic. They should make them take mandatory excercise programs if they want their checks.

 

Switzerland has an almost lifetime unemployment system. Means, you don't really have to work to get an own appartement, LED TV, Video games or even a car etc. till end of your life.

 

I'll just leave this here...

 

It's been my experience that really this doesn't happen as much as people assume it does. People will take less pay if pushed, but that's usually a final case scenario. For myself, there is a certain dollar-per-hour threshold I have to make in order to survive, if I can't do that then I'll be moving in with relatives. I can only imagine what would happen to someone who actually has a family to support. So yes there may be tons of shitty low paying jobs out there, problem is they just do not pay enough for people to live on.

Seriously, how's someone supposed to take care of a family when he works at Burger King? It's not gonna happen. One person cannot even support himself with a job like that, let alone if he has any significant financial responsibilities.

 

You live at home though, right?

 

I actually wanted to work on a fulltime basis until I can take up my studies at the University, but I have not managed to find anything since April - and I'm really trying, phoning any suitable (mostly delivery services, warehouses, supermarkets) company in my surrounding. I'm currently working for less than 200 Euros a month in a supermarket and that's way less than I need.

I'm not sure if this is only due to the crisis, but whenever people told me a reason for not employing people on a fulltime-basis, it was something like "I'd rather fire one than to employ another". >_<

 

I think it happens more. I think the win-win scenario is, plain and simple, pay cuts. But those rarely happen. The natural thing for a company to do is fire a bunch of low level people, making the remaining low-level people do twice the work for the same money.

You're right about not flipping burgers if you have a family. But, I think the threshold for not taking a job is probably 60% of your last salary. Average salary for someone in the US w/ a bechelors over 25 in the US is what, $50k a year? $60k a year? These people should be taking temporary jobs for $30-$35k, and those jobs are almost always available. It sucks, but you should be able to get by. You can always get your wife to go suck some dick for extra money. Mine doesn't realize that's what she's doing if I lose my job.

 

Recession? Don't you mean depression? The recession is already here. I'm having a hell of a time trying to find a job. I have to outright lie on applications, since a BS in engineering and half the jobs I've worked at seem to immediately disqualify me from burger-flipping jobs. >_>

 

The weird thing here in the UK is that - for some people - there's NO incentive to find work when they have a family as the government provides SO much financial support to them, they'd be WORSE OFF getting a job! :banghead:

They get to spend all day with their kids, and have more money than if they took a job and had to pay for childcare.

Some people though, are lazy arses and simply can't be bothered. I'm having to do a FT job, become a freelance video games journalist and also run my own company to ensure that the bills are all paid and I can have something of a life.

I do close to 7 day weeks and work from 9am to 10pm most nights, with rarely any downtime. But, I do what I have to to keep my mortgage paid and my head above water.

If people REALLY wanted to earn more money, they probably could, but a lot can't be arsed to be resourceful enough to go make it.

 

Working tax credits and other back-to-work incentives mean that the unemployed will almost always be better off getting into work, even if it's at minimum wage.

I imagine there are outlying cases (couples with 12 kids or something equally uncommon), but yeah.

 

Moving has associated costs plus you'd be without support from family/friends. People who are working don't appreciate how desperate some people are getting with the current job market being the way it is.

 

Desparate times, desparate measures. If there were no jobs in an area, I'd leave for sure. That'll probably happen in Tokyo one day... Well, it's guaranteed. Whether I'm here/alive is another question.

 

If you have a family and a mortgage, and the housing value has dropped so you have negative equity - you don't have a lot of choices. Aside from brankruptcy. You can't just move. I appreciate a lot of people on this forum are guys straight out of college or at Starbucks straight out of high school, so they have somewhat more freedom. But most guys don't. I don't include you in that Gaijin - but what would you do in that situation?

 

If I had the option to work for a comparable salary elsewhere, unless it was in a warzone I would go. If it wasn't an option for my family to go, I'd live in a box and send money home. You can live for sheckles in Tokyo even if you're willing to take a massive hit to the lifestyle.

I realize if you're not working in a "career" field this is an unlikely scenario. But the up side is the less specified you are, the easier it is to find a job.

I'll throw anothe one out there that most people are not going to like: Physical labor under the table. I'm sure just about anyone could get work doing this if they woke up early enough.

 

Kind of like Shenmue and moving boxes all day long

 

Well... you live in the first world.
When I was out a job (I pissed off a Politician's snotty son) I even applied to a convenience store (Oxxo, which is similar to 7-11, only mexican) and yeah, i was overqualified, so I didn't get it.
I even worked at a fucking CALL CENTRE. That was Godawful - Educated but jobless mexicans are always treated like servants for americans to live better.
I bit the bullet and quit that and started teaching high school. Fortunately, that was a gateway job to teach College, which is where the fun begins.
Now I have two teaching jobs, but no tenure (meaning: no paid vacations). A Lecturer / Professor in Mexico makes... about the same as a dishwasher in the states; about 8, 9 dollars an hour.
Still, it's an easy and fun job.

But the point is: to support yourself, you need TWO jobs. If I didn't have my sister (together, we support my mother, a 71 year old widow who gets a micro-pension because my father worked for big pharma for 30 years), I'd be thoroughly fucked. And together, we have a sum of FOUR jobs.

Fucking recession, man.