[Sick]: 2 girls strip a 11 year old boy naked and film it in public.

That's just one example. The way we think about and teach females in our society negatively affects them. Think about choice of profession. It's not like they tell girls in school, "as a girl you should never be a police officer, a scientist, an engineer, a programmer, etc." but it's sort of a general feeling that pervades our culture.

Of course there are plenty of exceptions, a lot more than there ever were in the past, but still there's kind of an unspoken antagonism against having women in certain professions. At the very least, there isn't enough encouragement.

Now that I think of it, I'm not really sure how this relates to the OP. Weird how that works.

 

Seriously, this.

 

I've got to disagree on this as well for the most part. I grew up in the 80's/90's and I have never really heard anyone tell a female they can't be something. The only real exceptions to this that I have heard are discouragement to police, fire, and frontline military which to some extent I think you would agree do have at least some basis for questioning. Never though have I heard that a woman couldn't be a scientist, programmer, ect.

Such thought was likely the case in the past and still persists in places but for the US at least I don't believe it is nearly as prevalent as it once was.

 

I don't think he was saying that girls get told they can't do these jobs, just that society in general coaxes girls and boys in different directions - girls get Barbie, boys get Action Man, etc etc. Personally I'm not convinced; I'm sure that societal norms do influence career choices, but I think the primary reason women aren't scientists/programmers/engineers/[other "male" jobs], is because individuals in those professions are practically required to have a single-minded, consuming obsession on the matter, and women typically aren't as obsessive as men. I don't think it's any more complex than that, really.

 

For starters, how would you like the idea of yourself getting jumped by 3 girls then stripped naked and then publicly humiliated online? It's easy to say that it's not a big deal when it isn't happening to you.

Even if they were my kids, I wouldn't feel any sympathy if they got karma biting them in the ass for what they did. Serious offenses should have serious consequences. I'd simply say "you brought this on yourself". I'll remove it because it will probably get removed anyway, but still. If they were my kids, I would feel 0 sympathy for what ever embarrassment they receive as a result of their actions (unless they were getting death threats of course). If their status and pride were hurt bad enough, that would be punishment enough. Don't get me wrong, I forgive those stupid teenage pedophiles, but they have to be disciplined one way or another; by the parents, or by the world itself. And trust me, the world will chew you up and spit you out.

One more thing, my name is blueshogun, NOT blueshotgun. Not to be rude, but don't ever call me that again.

Wrong, feminism is NOT about equality. It was about entitlement from the start. You might want to read/listen to statement made by the founding mothers of feminism and how it's true intentions came to be; as a totally vindictive movement. The liberation of the female body, destruction of the nuclear family and the labeling of all men as "rapists" is only the tip of the ice berg. There are lots of good feminists out there, but they are unaware of what feminism is really doing, and most of them don't even do thorough history of feminism.

If feminism was about equality, where the hell are they now? Why aren't they demanding equal punishment to the equivelant to what a man would get? Hm? I rest my case.

Second, in this day and age, women make MORE then men do on average as they are now getting higher wage jobs and are becoming more and more career oriented rather than family oriented. They like to flip flop back and forth between the wage gap statistics choosing the negative and the positive statistic as they please.

But really, I wish feminism was about equality, but clearly it's not.

 

[citation needed]

Also, you're failing to appreciate that "feminism" as an umbrella term covers a huge range of issues, and that they can't all be easily pigeon-holed in the way you're attempting. It ranges from the nutty "feminism in ideology, lesbianism in practice", to the much more reasonable claims concerning rights to gender equality. There's a lot to criticise in feminist literature, but that's equally true of just about any "ism" you'd care to mention.

 

Well first off, that would be very unlikely to happen. 2 girls (as one is holding a camera) would not be able to over power me like that. But more importantly why are you so ashamed of your body? I think this an American issue where people are extremely uncomfortable and offended by nakedness. And "humiliated online", or really just the first part. This is voluntary. If you choose to cry about it and act ashamed and like it's the end of the world, that's you. I mean seriously, omg someone saw your genitals! THEY RAPED YOU WITH THEIR EYES! About the online part, the internet is a big noise room. It's not like everyone in the world is going to know about this and let it consume their lives. And more than likely if people wouldn't be drama queens about this in a year no one will even remember or care.

I'm not really sure what you think should happen to them as punishment. However I think charging them with a crime would be going too far. The kid on the video rants about sending them to Juvenile Hall. I think that is a terrible idea. You very easily could do more harm than good with that.

Typo. Didn't mean to be offend you.

 

Even if they were both bigger than him? Seems you're being pretty short-sighted. There are big girls... they just don't like to admit it.

 

He was saying me, not him. For him I guess that could be the case. He still could have fought back more than he did. My other points still stand though that it doesn't have to be a big deal.

 

this might explain the increasing rate of homosexuality all over the world

i've always considered those action man/bearbie's ken/big jim and similia as screaming gay all over :lol:

 

Is that your kind humour WTF ???

What the bloody fuck are you babbling about ?

 

Now, you over reacting again. You understand English but you do not understand sarcasm -- it is necessary on today's internet.

All I saw was a big blur. Most of the commotion was only heard.

I don't know any self-respecting parent that wouldn't make this a big deal. Children (and even adults) only respond to repercussions. If not, these two girls are going to go around being cunty until someone slaps the shit out of them.

 

Well it seems to me again his post was not funny, not even in sarcastic terms.

 

16 year olds girls stripping me down , please someone tell me what the problem is , it would be embarrassing if you have a tiny dick.


note i am saying this because i am drunk.

 

Think about this. Let's picture (once again) two boys/men doing this to a woman. Try to imagine what's going on in the woman's mind. "Am I going to get raped or be sexually violated/tormented?" If two women did that to me, I'd be thinking the same thing. So who knows what that kid was thinking. I know you'd probably say something like "a woman can't rape a man", which is not entirely true. It's happened before and it can happen again.

And about the nudity thing. I can agree with you on that to a certain extent, but still, he was being held down against his will which means it's wrong whether nudity should be shamed or not. Now, if I pulled off your girlfriend's bra, recorded it and put it on youtube, would you be thinking the same thing?

Then what DO you suggest? Do nothing? Just say "girls will be girls" and forget about it? Expect the parents who failed to discipline the kids iron it out?

It's alright, but I've seen it used as an insult to me before. I dealt with that shit in other places, and I'm sure as hell not going to deal with it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4

This is a mix of comedy and seriousness, but the scenario is addressed there.

I'm aware of this, but I was just clearly pointing out the negative sides of feminism, which most people refuse to acknowledge exist or research.

The first few waves of feminism were actually of a good cause and were highly effective (which I'd support), but now it's finally turning into what the radical feminists want it to be... a business.

 

That's your response? A collection of clips from idiotic youtube videos, made by a site called "manhood101"? I'm not sitting through 20 minutes of that in the hope that one of them might (incorrectly) assert that women earn more than men on average.

http://www.businessweek.com/careers/workingparents/blog/archives/2007/04/working_women_a.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male–female_income_disparity_in_the_United_States
etc etc.

 

You're going to have to do better than wikipedia to convince me otherwise. Those figures are quite out dated too (on wikipedia). Dunno how it works in your country, but in my fucked up cuntry (pun intended), the tables have turned.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/26527/thats-equality-women-earning-more-than-men-across-america/
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/09/01/young-single-women-earn-more-than-men/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/03/us-workplace-women-idUSN0334472920070803

Btw, about that vid. There's scenario where women claim they make less money then claim they make more money. American women like playing "the victim" when it works in their favour. Inequality towards women in the work place is minimal at best.

EDIT: While we're at it, you all might be getting the vibe that I am sexist, misogynist, a woman hater or all of the above. None of these are true. Just saying this because I get these alot simply because I don't fall for obvious feminist hypocrisies nor am I a pussywhipped mangina who puts them on pedestals. I believe in true equality, fair and just.

 

and you sir have hit the nail on the head.
:lol: no but you're very correct in your statement i should know i am american :lol:.

 

All of those focus on one small section of the populace (young, single women, age 22-29). It is the same in Britain, since you were wondering (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=167). Basically everywhere else, men get paid more. There's nothing here to debate.

 

By the way, why isn't this closed yet? This is easily as polarizing and anger-inducing as any political debate could be.