SNES Cd-Rom FAQ!!!

well...

As you can see in the first quote there by me, I'm responding to an email of his by asking about the other guy. But ONLY in the forums do I mention the other person to him. The same forums that he didn't write a response back to us in to address that. So NO, I didn't email him asking about the other guy, and he probably never saw the forum reference either.

In your second quote of me, Dan says "it looks vaugely familiar" after skimming the posts a little. He probably only saw the FIRST pictures we put there of the snes cd-drive which didn't show him. This is why it looked familiar but he had nothing else to add since he can't recall why it looked familiar. If he saw the other pics he'd realize why it looked so familiar, which is cause it was right next to his booth. And EVEN if he DID see the other pics, not one picture of the other guy who was showcasing it was posted. So he'd have little to add about the person. If he had seen pictures of that guy, he probably could have told us who it was, or at least remember him a little. So if he never sees (at least by me) references to the other guy and no pics of them, he has nothing to respond to.

I already knew about the other Dan Kramer. We are not mistaken, we have both talked to the right one. He just doesn't know about the snes drive and its clear now that neither of us asked him about the other guy in our emails to him. AND I am probably the "other person" that he is referring to in his email to you.

 

I did ask him about his booth and i did include pictures of it in my e-mail.

Including this picture:

http://www.atariage.com/features/cge2k2/pictures/TheShow/DSC02167.JPG

He has no idea of the item or who was in the booth with him.

 

ok

Ok, well that's too bad I guess (and I assume that giving him an actual picture of the other guy wouldn't be enough to jog his memory either, or at least I'm not going to find out). All the more reason for no one to email him. If someone did want to find out the other guy though, the expo's coordinators would maybe still be able to tell you, but whatever. As I've already said if anyone does actually want more info, they just need to talk to game rave..

 

To tell everyone the truth i personaly thing who ever came out with this thing clearly has no wishes to make more information available. To me all that points out to is abit of hype for what ever site broke the news and an item that doesnt contain much substance.

For all we know its nothing more interesting then a backup unit.

How much proof do we actually have of it being at all involved with the snes cd project and sony...

 

pulsetech made that thing... so it is for sure an optical reading device.

pulsetech always was a world leading company in research and develop of optical storage discs

check this info about holografics disks (the future after blue ray disks):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

between the companies involved.... guess what?

pulsetech is there it is always been a leader in research and development of new technologies, and in the creation of prototypes.... and it's a japanese company... so i think that nintendo could for real have asked them to create a prototype

 

Yeah but remember that the sticker looks tampered with and its just a sticker...

 

It would really take an evil genius to make a fake that would explode ten years later, and using a sticker of a very important producer but of wich almost no people knows the existence. not that this is a very important proof but you should consider what would it take to make a fake.

let's think about it. if someone would make a fake, they would make a fake that fitted behind the snes, not on top for all the pictures of it shown around where like that. they would have tried to print somewhere something about, sony, matsushita, or even philips. probably they would have created a fake entering for encased disks, too. And i'm sure that the faker, after all this work would have surely publicized his creation, right? And if it was so he would have immediatly became popular on the net...

still what i'saying isn't proving anything... but stilll

 

For all we know it could be a backup system that can use cds. The sticker could of well been taken from the cd mechanism inside and stuck on the outside.

Going just by a sticker and 3 pictures that have just been used to hype some site doesnt really mean much.

Wheres the owner now? Why was it in that expo and not a single person noticed or wrote about it...

Im sure at least one person would of said something about it but in all the searches about expo not once do we find one person talking about it. Also the story was that it was ffound in the bin... How did it get from the expo to the bin. The owner would never of thrown that out.

 

first the one on the expo is the one salvaged from the bin. unless i'm completly grown crazy i hope i didn't misunderstand it from all the post that were made.

and about "For all we know it could be a backup system that can use cds. The sticker could of well been taken from the cd mechanism inside and stuck on the outside."
you really think that pulstech would have a hand at a backup device? and why using a pulsetech drive, incredibly costly since they are all prototypes or such kind of very low pieces made?

ps: i'm not taking this discussion personally i hope you do the same (it's difficult to understand feeling on the net ) i love exchanging opinions

 

Yeah but it can be an item asian pirates get their hands on. Stolen or otherwise just something old someone doesnt need anymore.

Pulstec might not of had a hand in it but their cdrom drive (if it is one for all we know its a black little flap) is used inside it.

It could well be a one off.

As for the salvage from the bin yes it is the exact same one. But from what i gather this person who got it from the BIN got it AFTER the expo. Hence it was meant to be binned sometime between the expo and the discovery of what it is.

 

You are right paulo i have re-read ALL THE PREVIOUS topic and yes, it seems that the thing was trashed some time after the expo and recovered in a second time. i wonder how that could happen... maybe someone bought it? maybe it was broken? maybe nobody trusted what that was? maybe a friend of the buyer discovered him trashing it and salvaged from the trash? this could explain why he doesn't want to be recognized (his friend could claim the item back? ) [most of the preceding are just plain jokes... but ]

anyway i think it would take too much effort to search for a prototype drive from pulstech for making such a hoax... and i can open a pool amongst all the forum member for seeing who ever heard of that company in the '90tyes...

by the way in this link to a web page made in 2002
http://www.stevejuon.com/photos/lv_trip/
the thing was already recognized as a snes cd rom prototype.

2002 is a not suspect time i think

 

umm thats more interesting.... so if it is some kind of snes cd prototype doesnt mean its actually the sony one or even to play cd games with. Could still be some kind of backup prototype.

I just dont see how something that would be kept under lock and key (likely in Japan) specialy because sony wouldnt really want to leave working models around for nintendo to play around with. Also for it to be left so unknown in that expo and then going to be trashed. Its not like the owner dint have an idea how much its worth.

 

actually some developers got a few systems and devkit for the snes cd rom... i don't remember well but i think it was an ex ?acclaim? programmer said that they had something related to a snes cd rom add on, but never started working on it. i think i read it somewhere in this forum...

and yes i doubt that was anywhere related to sony, maybe is some leftover from the philips partnership?. it could probably be a really early proto designed just to check how well the snes could handle transfer data and audio streaming or such test and maybe it was just ninty to have ordered for them?. i highly doubt that there was any real, big software developed for it.. probably some demo were created, and some developers got instruction or some sort of infos for developing for it...

i'm quite sure there should be other items like this one around, but a bit more refined, since too many people (mainly programmers and vg magazines) stated that some devvers had in their hands protos of the snes cd rom add-on. i hope more info will surface about it, since i think this is one of the most entertaining parts of videogames history...

man, a pic of the internals could tell us so much about it!

after all i think that sony, philips and nintendo reaserched togheter for some time... i don't think any of them had all the rights to cut any other off... an, yes, i don't understand the2 or more owners... and i don't understand why people wasn't excited about a snes cd proto to be shown in a 2002 fair... sometimes people doesn't have sharp eyes, since they are searching in places too deep and avoid the obvious...

 

Also where is the seller right now... why hasnt he shown anymore better pictures. Sounds iffy.

 

can't tell about that... some people are just like that... but that doesn't make my points or yours better or worse by a drop

but anyway i want to shake your hand paulo, since is such a rare thing to find someone capable to chat about such heated topics, that manages to remain calm, and asserts his point of view with the efficiency that you do. you really deserve you status on this forum. probably we'll never know who of us was right, but i can see all of your points and i think that you can see all of mines. i hope more infos will sufarce so that i'll manage to finish my faq either proclaming the thing as a real prototype or a fake, since i think that it'll be anyway an entertaining story

ps i think we have monopolized this topic

 

Wow ^^ - its great to see how it evolved !! So is the picture of the "below the SNES- ND Drive" a fake / a merely "rappresentationt" of what it was supposed to be?? (see the links before) Isnt there any chance that they started it as an EXT device and not as a copier?

 

Speaking of that...isnt it possible that he might show up somewhere at another "Classic gaming expo" somewhere??

 

i think the copier is totally out of question, but idon't think i understood your post completely, sorry

 

this sounds interesting but under what name?

 

Remember there is one snes copier that can use cds... SUPER WILD CARD DX2