Snooping

Question : do you think this is only related to last-gen hardware or to previous ones too?

Thanks!

 

I'd probably say it's anything they're still selling, so PS3, PS2, PSP, X360, Wii, DS, (possibly) GBA, (unlikely) GCN.

 

of course it's illegal what Premiere does, but they're not doing it officially, so nobody knows

well and to the point if sony would try to...WHY NOT is the question? another question is, what is more important for them, the people breaking the NDA or the people owning devkits they're not supposed to own?

 

could you tell us who the known members are that you are suspective of snooping?

 

Damn, i'll have to start and get my post count up..

 

But isn't selling/buying a Sony DevKit only illegal because Sony will only sell them to certain people under contract not to be resold? Kinda like it's only illegal because they say it is? If Sony themselves offered to sell me a PS3 DevKit, they couldn't have me arrested for buying it because THEY offered it to me. Owning a DevKit isn't illegal, it's how you got it and where it came from that makes it fishy...

And, I'd have to agree that Sony's concern would be who's letting them get 'out there', not so much that someone in the private sector has one...

 

well, it was meant like somebody sells you a devkit, who is a sony employee, but he won't tell you. no contract and so on. and then sony has your address and sensible data...thats what i meant. well but honestly i don't think that they'll do that

 

I wouldn't be surprised if we already have some of these snoopers who have access to this section. -_-

 

One of many reasons I'm just an information whore!

Mainly money though. Can't sue someone for something they know that I know of. I hope...

 

Nah. Doesnt work. Sony would commit a crime by themself by selling it to you without a license *summons barc0de*.

 

They could try to pull something like that, but you'd probably be able to get off on entrapment. That's like a cop selling you dope, then busting you for possesion.

 

Isn't another reason they are really iffy about dev kits being sold because they can contribute to reverse engineering and piracy?

 

Reverse engineering isn't needed when you've got devkits. It's when you don't have access to the original source code / SDKs / dev hardware.

 

I would think we have a built in defense if companies start trying to entrap us, we are, for the most part all over the world. If sony wanted to start picking people off they would be hard pressed to fund a international effort just because of a single dev item or two.

But to be on the safe side access to this area should be upped as well IMO. Maybe add a posting requirement along with date of reg.

 

micjohvan, you're right.

Worldwide community, that is our strenght!

as for the number of post to access 0th bit... you're probably right...

i could get banned 0th bit for that reason though... (don't have that many posts really).

But if it's for security, and that i can come back a bit later... agreed.

 

Barring that it is not stolen there is nothing illegal about buying or owning any type of dev equipment. Any restrictions on dev equipment is merely the companies policy and has no force of law in and of itself. If they wanted to Sony could sell you a Test system and you would be free and clear to do whatever you wanted with it. Sony would have no legal recourse as long as you didn't sign anything. Furthermore if Sony did have legal recourse it would be a matter of civil law and not criminal law but that would only apply if you signed an agreement and then broke it.

 

It depends. Some dev hardware is leased from the company.

 

Yes, but if I own it and never signed the lease and was never told of the lease I would at least morally feel in the right for ownership of whatever dev hardware I own. The one who signed the lease is responsible and I would imagine had already been dealt with.

Morally right, yes. Legally, hell if I know. Then again all I've ever owned was a Dreamcast System Disk 2.

 

this depends strong on your countrys law cause for example if you buy a stolen car and know it it might make you responsiple also...

 

But even after its discovered that the car is stolen, you have to give it back... And chances are that you won't get your money back, too.