So what WAS sega's last great game?

I've been to random arcades in Tokyo and everytime in the last 2 years I have seen more people playing VF5 then any Tekken game. Last week, I saw more people playing SFIV and VF5 then Tekken 6...

It was a god awful demo, I tried really hard to find something redeeming about it and I couldn't bring myself to buy the game on the PS3. I love SR as I did buy it on the Saturn, Dreamcast and Playstation 2 (although the proper game on the PS2 is utter tripe) but this one didn't sit as well. Coling McRae DiRT does play 100000 times better.

Well FM could have been published by anyone, just that Sega got in there first, I still don't think of it as a Sega game in any sense of the word it's a Sports Interactive game, to highlight this point Sports Interactive sponsor my beloved football team and not Sega.


To the point, the last great game made by Sega? Well personally I think Daytona USA was the last 'Great' game made by Sega, pity they fucked up every home conversion since.

 

I would say... Toejam and Earl III or Jet Set Radio Future.

 

I fucking love that game, I always play it on my PSP

 

It doesn't count unless Sega developed it.

 

Sure, but you'd still be rating the demo not the retail game.

SI is part of SEGA now anyway.

Now, lets compare them to Nintendo as I never hear people moan about Nintendo's games for the last few years, yet they are as much a varied bunch. Most of them feature Mario/Pokemon in some kind of way and a 'clever' way of using the Wii-mote. Oh and all fitness programs. What a great time gamers will have..

The Super Mario Galaxy hype was like 'OMG! Game of the century!!' , 'Perfect 10!' blahblahblah. But I never heard anyone talking about it for ages now. If it was such a phenomenal classic why isn't anyone playing it anymore? Perhaps it wasn't the classic all people want you to believe.

It's just that Nintendo has a whole following of ass-kissers that are a great help in hyping everything up while everyone seems to enjoy slagging SEGA games for no reason. Just like the ridiculous 'there hasn't been a good Sonic game since Sonic & Knuckles' argument. Everyone was raving about Sonic Adventure back in the day, now everyone goes 'Sonic in 3D has never been good', 'All 3D sonic games suck'.

They all just 'go with the flow' saying that. And you know what happens when you repeat a certain message for long enough. People start to take it for truth.

'SEGA hasn't done a great game since ...' it's rubbish. Let's take another example; Mario & Sonic at the Olympics. Sold millions. 'But it's shit!' I hear people cry. But how many of those have actually played the game? Very few I can tell you. They use the same lame excuse 'SEGA/Sonic is crap' and take it for granted. In fact Mario & Sonic is in fact a very playable game, has plenty of interesting features and is great fun in multiplayer.

Another perfect example is the way Sega Rally is judged in this thread. How can you honestly form a decent opinion of a game if you only played the demo? I've played plenty of excellent demos yet the game failed to deliver big time and vice versa. If only people persevered with the game they might have enjoyed the INTENSE battles (especially in 2P or online), the varied tracks, the large amount of cars (more than enough choice and loads of styles) and the 'confusing at first but incredibly rewarding after just a few hours' controls.

I won't even go into the 'VF5 is crap' argument. A quick look at gamerankings;

I rest my case.

Let's just make one point clear; I'm not blind. I know SEGA does plenty of below average and even crap games. I just think people are far, FAR too harsh on most SEGA games. The industry has changed, games are no longer made by 'just a couple of guys'. However, most of the gamers are so incredibly spoiled they just moan at every tiny little detail they don't like.

I think everyone knows the 'common' opinion of a game like GTAIV. If you listen to the common opinion you 'should be in for one hell of a ride'. Yet, by playing this game for hours on end I could form an opinion of my own; it's enjoyable but at the same time very, very much like all GTA games before. 95% of the missions simply involve killing a person and escaping. The AI was in fact very poor. The soundtrack was rubbish. Yet, its once again the common opinion overshadows the flawed game it really is.

If people started to make their own mind and tried hard not to be the spoiled shits they are (and this includes the press, perhaps even more so) there would be no argument. Everything didn't used to be better, just different. People just expect way, WAY too much from a game these days. The hype of SSB:B died down VERY quickly because of that very reason. Just because the technology moved so fast it just ain't possible to polish a game as much as was possible back in the days of cartridges. 8 gigs != 8 megs.


This is just one of those things of the current game industry that annoys the hell out of me.

 

Ridiculous conspiracy theory detected.

 

*sigh*
You're not understanding what I was saying. I'm not talking about a conspiracy, I'm talking about the overhyping of a (admittedly good) game that all the press went overboard with, and that really wasn't justified in the end while the opposite is true for most SEGA games. I didn't write the other text for no good reason you know.

 

I was being facetious, no offence meant. For what it's worth I do feel like newer Sega games tend to be lacking, though, and having played a lot of them I think that's a justified opinion. I also played (and completed) Sonic Adventure back in 2001 or 2002 and I didn't think it was much good then, either.

 

Sonic Adventure was crap but Adventure 2 is pretty good.

 

I agree with you, besides, SA2 was the first Dreamcast game I played

 

Yakuza 2-kenzan and valkyria. And the next will be Yakuza 3. The trailer is GREAT.

 

I thought VF5 was pretty fun....I'm not hardcore into bullfuck though.

 

That's VF5R1, not VF5. I guess you weren't going into the city. Until R1 came out, any major arcade (other than a Sega one) had at least twice as many Tekken 6 cabs than VF5 (and they were being used). The VF5 cab would have one player, 2 tops. Depressing.

Okay -- I won't go into how awful it did at the arcades then. Deal? I'd have to use words like "ghost town" and "gathered dust", to give you an idea. Besides, when has a major publication ever given anything a proper review? That's my nice way of saying "those fuck tards wouldn't know the first thing about a fighting game if it hit them in the head". The same can be said about shooters. Someone at IGN demoed Ketsui X... died twice and bombed 3 times on the first stage. That's exactly who I want reviewing the game. :|

And before you jump the gun, note that I played about 2 hours of Valkyria today (and I cleared the game months ago... and I never replay long games).

 

My favourite is when they start the review with "I'm not a fan of/not very good at (genre of the game for review), but...", and then they go on to make ridiculously uninformed and erroneous generalisations and other assorted silly mistakes. Unfortunately it seems like the really (sigh) "hardcore" games, 1-on-1 fighters with really deep mechanics, scrolling shooters etc, resist any kind of rational rating scale - they're too niche, too love-or-hate, and require vast amounts of time to truly appreciate, so assigning any kind of numerical review score is even more meaningless than it is with other more mainstream titles.

 

I'm playing Virtua Fighter 5 right now, and think that's the best 3D fighting game actually (saw Tekken 6 at Tokyo, and made me laugh; Soul Calibur 4 is an heresy; and Dead Or Alive 4, is the same as the previous one, but with more tits), it's a shame that Xbox live's lag with it, because sometimes is totally unplayable.

 

I personally feel it's just the opposite

 

If you played VF4 competitively, you'd see the difference. The main problem is that VF5 is basically VF4 Final Tuned 1.1 in high definition. They dumbed down the system a bit, and added very little (other than items and rings). It left a lot of long time fans in the cold, and quite a few of them flat out quit. R1 apparently gets back to being VF (I've only played about 30 matches), although the new character looks amazingly cheesy to me.

SA2 features the worst game song every devised by man. I imagine Yuji Naka cruises town listening to that gay shit.

 

Listen to Sonic and the Secret rings soundtrack and I assure you you'll think otherwise.

Dino jungle is particularly annoying.

 

BLAH

Completly true, lol. It's ridiculous there are actual soundtracks of that crap too. More then just the game OST.