I come to this forum to enjoy the banter of like-minded individuals. Today I have to say I am disgusted at the lack of respect that is being shown towards Steve Jobs in this thread. Regardless of your feelings towards the guy, he has just passed away, so show some respect. ‘If you have nothing nice to say, it’s better to say nothing at all'
I wasn't much a fan of the road that the company was taking these past few years, more or less since the release of the iPhone, I never really cared for all the portable iThingies they've put out, but I guess it was because they were going with the flow of this era... I have always been a Macintosh guy. No offence to PC users but I never really got accustomed to Windows, I always preferred Mac OS, or NeXTStep for that matter. Because look at NeXTStep today and you will find much of the innovations that were later put into Mac OSX. Take it the way you want, but for me he was ahead of his time, and he always has. Did you remember the mp3 player market before the iPod came along ? I do, and it interested not that much people. Many people I know at the time told me they were more interested in Minidisc than buying an mp3 player. Since the release of the iPod, this has changed. So I won't say anything about the man himself, maybe he was a jerk in real life, I don't know, I have never met him. But as far as the computer industry goes, he had balls and a vision. And that's something I just have to give credits to. R.I.P. Mr. Jobs.
R.I.P Maybe he was a visionary, maybe he was an ass, but undeniable Apple wouldn't be what it is now if it wasn't for him.
To put it into perspective (and you can ask Yakumo or any other long-time white resident of Japan) I used to laugh my balls off at how shitty American cell phones were. Euro ones were just as awful. They were basically 3-year old models from Asia at best. Now... half of Japan is using an iPhone. :clap: So... just how successful does one have to be to make the jump from accomplished business man to conman? Mac is Unix. Scientifically proven to be better. I only listened to DJ mixes back in the original portable Mp3 market days. I told myself, "Why I can hold more than a gig I'll buy one". The rest is history.
While I never met him personally and cannot say wether he was an asshole or not, I profoundly dislike Apple products given their ridiculous price tags and the snobbery of every mac user i've met (in person at least. Having worked in an office where EVERYONE had a mac and an iphone, being myself the only person working on a PC, i can tell you, it gets really annoying after a couple of weeks). Yeah, it's sad that he died... In a way. The guy battled cancer for a LONG time, and eventhough he was killed by it, he was also pretty successful at it: more than 10 years fighting the disease, with periods that must have been great, others not so much. So all in all, its true that his loss is a great one for the world of technology, but it's not like he was the inventor of the wheel or something like that. Great minds will come along in the future and we will not lack innovative products just because he died. Sad, he died.... But so what? We are all going to die, in fact, thousands of people are dying in africa right now... All the money that's being made around Steve Jobs' death should go to help others in need.
Take it easy, I just updated an old joke about Johnny Cash, and the Hope guy who made comedy in front of soldiers. Seriously, I have lost three people I cared about to cancer, so lighten the fuck up.
A) Because I don't want to do that as my profession. I have loftier goals than making shiny consumer goods that include my personal dictatorship as a feature. B) Because I'd have to be shitfaced to want to get through a meal with one of the biggest assholes I can think of. Don't know about you but I'd have to be. http://truelogic.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/iphone-steve-jobs-angry-remarks-to-customer/ http://www.nbcbayarea.com/blogs/pre...Core-Steve-Jobs-Yells-at-Staff-121539309.html
I hate this "argument" so much. Everyone who says this better remember it when someone close to them dies.
Ok everyone just shut the hell up ,the man is dead have respect for the dead. What good is bashing a dead man ,hmm seems to be a complete waste of time. Let the dead have their peace. Yall just make me sick.
That is because it minimalizes your emotions/thoughts in favor of something inarguably "worse". The man was a driving force in the industry and didn't deserve to die young. However he is just another one of us - human. If you want bashing I haven't even pulled out the best material. All I'm doing is being disgusted over people giving him huge credit for things he was not nearly 100% responsible for. He deserves respect and I can understand that and I do give him respect, for what he actually deserves respect for. I'll be curious to see how the world treats the death of Bill Gates.
Okay then, lets see what people wrote about Steve Jobs and his products. Of course, Woz was the only person to make a blue box, not that whistles were used before The phone companies improved the system when they had to upgrade the system, changing it before then would have cost a lot more money then they would lose on a small number of people using blue box devices (which did include a cerael box toy whistle....). In what way true? The Apple I was still a hobbist computer and the first Apple II was well over $1000 which in 1977 was a small fortune. In comparison the Tandy TRS-80 model 1 which was half the price and was available in radio shack branches so more accessable, in fact the TRS-80 outsold the Apple II in the first year. Ironically the Apple II in a similar spec to the first IBM PC (the 5150) was more expensive... Let's ignore the fact that Apple effectively licenced various GUI concepts to Microsoft for Windows 1.0, the lawsuit was generally found in Microsoft favour due to this as well as Apple effectively licencing the concept from Xerox back in 1979. It all ended happily with Microsoft buying a large part of Apple which kept them afloat. Well Nolan Bushnell created the concept, Jobs then ripped off Woz to design the game, but Atari engineers made a different board as no one understood the logic circuits Woz created and they needed to make it simple. Not quite, every one seems to promote the iPod as a killer device but what you and everyone else should have said is that since iTunes and the ability to buy music online, things have changed. The original ipod only worked on the Mac and the interface was a bit cumbersome, but it worked just like every other MP3 player on the market, although the first one only worked on the Mac and require Firewire... When iTunes came out (3 years later...) the iPod sales did climb dramatically, as before then iPod sales were reasonable but not breathtaking. As a note ipod sales have declined in the last two years... The iPhone again benefits from having a central place to download games and applications rather then the clunky ways of buying and installing programs on the Palm OS and Symbian smartphones, which did come first and were smartphones. I remember having to go and make a nice cup of tea whilst formatting a disc on a System 7.x machine as the mac would not multitask properly... I could do the same thing on a Windows 3.1 machine and could continue to work... Most news reports were disappointing and full of factual errors... especially with NeXT and Pixar and how he came back... and John Scully was made to look like a bad man when all he was doing was doing what Steve Jobs employed him in the first place. Still maybe we will find out if Steve Jobs is going to do a one up on Bill Gates from beyond the grave and give more money to charities in his will then the Bill and Melinda gates foundation do.
I can't imagine thousands of other people feeling the exact same. My point was, claiming his job could be done by anyone is easier said than done. He actually did it. I only have a few Apple products (I think iTunes is awful) but the guy sold shit, no question about it.
The flipside to that is just because somebody dies doesn't mean he should automatically be put on a pedestal because of it either. If you want that stick to the mainstream media. They are treating his passing as if it were Jesus himself that passed. The fact is that the man was polarizing and there is plenty of ammunition for both sides to fire. As usual the truth is somewhere in between.
