Lol, I had to do research to find who that guy is. Anyway, RIP Then again, my condolences ~~ ;( and there is more! o.o he had cancer, I never knew ;o
Not just anyone no. I'm not just anyone either which admittedly sounds cocky as all hell. I know that I'm only limited by the resources I have at hand which would prevent me from becoming as good as Jobs at selling products. Electrical Engineering OTOH... Absolutely no question the man made Apple what it is (for better/worse) and he was a genius at selling products.
Now see I don't watch the news in america it because its basically " and I hope you don't think bad of me for saying this" another bastard has been killed in a Iraq , if this is almost entirely what the news is about and has been since 2000, you can see why I don't watch it , it to fucking depressing. I read the sunday paper instead and get my news online.
Exactly what I used to think. I hated cell phones and barely used them - text messaging in particular was just a pain in the ass. When I saw those Japanese cell phones first in Retro Core and later when I came to Japan (in 2007 the iPhone wasn't very popular), it blew my mind how far ahead the industry was. Nokia & other phones just sucked. I can't believe some people say Apple ruined the phone industry. The introduction of smartphones was a major leap to a better cell phone concept and Apple did a huge chunk of the work. People who praise Android should keep in mind that it was Apple who introduced the concept of such an iOS. And how can anyone 'hate' their products? Because they are too expensive? Because some people buy them only for their looks? Grow up. Apple devices provide sustainable performance, high quality product design and a great customer service. Things that cheaper Windows devices are more often than not lacking.
I hate the iPhone and iPad for a simple reason: Apple is actively trying to criminalize (here in the US at least) the act of jailbreaking your iDevice. To use your iPhone as you please is not a new concept. But the walled garden approach? OK, corporate pejorative. I can just jailbreak...oh hello Mr Lawyer. Whats that? I need you to represent me in court because I wanted to run unapproved apps on my iPhone? Let me know how that thought process requires me to "grow up".
So what you're saying is that a company is evil because it does not want their customers to hack their products in order to avoid paying for products anymore? Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I would probably suggest to do the same if I was in Apple's business strategy department. What about the Xbox 360. Do you hate the 360 and Microsoft because MS doesn't like you to modify your console to play backups? A company limitting its customers' freedom about what they can do with a particular product is not new and by no means exclusive to Apple. It's common practice, virtually anywhere. If you don't like that, use Linux and build your own computer. If you want to jailbreak devices, it's your own responsibility to do so but I would never except companies like Sony (PSP) or Apple to encourage me doing this.
I have no apple pcs nor players. No mac, no i-thing, nothing. I don't like the aura of hypeness around this brand things, expecially the ones that have better and cheaper competitors. I also think that 99% of Apple's price are just insane and unjustified. Still i give credit to Steve to have brought in the electronics and Pc market a very "stilish look" that appealed to the masses. i consider that style completely pointless, but it did in fact change the way people perceived technologies. Even tought all over the history he was more a seller of other companies ideas than a creative. I consider him the greatest seller ever. So, kudos to him, and RIP. IIRC amiga did that far before and far better.
Were you close to Steve Jobs? If so, my condolences... If not, I don't see any reason why you should disregard this argument. You can feel it's a pity someone influential died, but the people who are really suffering for this loss are his family and friends. And for your information, I know what is like to loose someone very close, my father in 2009; who coincidentally died of acute liver failure due to liver cancer (so yeah, I know a thing or two about what happened to Mr. Jobs). It never changed the fact that people in Africa were dying at the time, as they are now. All I said was that the company will surely make some money out of this, and they should donate it to alleviate those in need. We are ALL going to die eventually. It's a part of life, and it's better for everyone to come to terms with that reality and accept that there is no such thing as immortality.
You are so full of crap it's not funny. Things you can do with a jailbroken iPhone you can't with a stock iPhone: 1)Run unapproved apps 2)Run pirated apps (yes this is almost always a side effect of being able to run homebrew) 3)Take your iPhone and use it on a carrier other than AT&T (assuming you have a GSM iPhone) 4)Block Apple's ability to track you (big fiasco a few months ago) And I'm sure there are others. What a bullshit argument to claim that by my saying "unapproved" apps I meant "oh god it's terrible that Apple won't let us pirate everything!". Because there has never been a single homebrew application for anything ever that wasn't freeware. The vast majority of the apps I use on my Android phone are 100% free. If I couldn't root it to have full control I wouldn't have bought it either. Guess what? I don't use a single pirated app either! After I had a Playstation trash my pristine copy of Chrono Cross I realized why backups were part of the "fair use" provision in American copyright law. The fact Microsoft doesn't allow it is displeasing however I can hack it to do as I please (knowing full well Microsoft also has the right to ban me from using their XBox Live service). I don't hate them for it but on the other hand you're using a bullshit fallacy to try to make bullshit comparisons. With the iPhone I wouldn't pirate my apps but you simply assumed that pirating apps was the only reason I'd ever want to jailbreak an iPhone. Being able to play backups on my 360 doesn't guarantee that I use the word "backup" as code for "pirated game". I'd suggest you learn how to avoid using fallacious arguments.
Personally, I feel like the only reason he is seen as a great "inventor" is because he had the money to pay other people to make his ideas happen. It's not like he designed any of the products that Apple is known for today. Sure, he supervised the design, but that's all. Anybody could have had those ideas. But who has the money to get a team talented enough to make them a reality? Steve Jobs did. If you want to call bullshit on me, look at what he did to Woz with Breakout. So "pioneer?" Not really. "Brilliant opportunist?" Definitely. He was talented when it came to running a business. Nothing more, nothing less. The aesthetic and quality of Apple's products are the sum of thousands of peoples hard work and dedication, not one man. Nothing will be different about Apple in the future than it would have been with Jobs at the helm. That being said, here's a quote for his 2005 Stanford commencement speech that I think everyone should read. Bluntly inspirational. "Remembering that I’ll be dead soon is the most important tool I’ve ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure — these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart."
So I guess you didn't feel at all sad when he died? After all, he's just another human being, and a lot of people were dying in Africa at the same time. I'm not saying that everyone should feel sad because Jobs died or anything, just that people should apply that argument consistently.
OF course I felt sad, and that's the point I was making. HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS are the true "victims" if you will of his passing, they are the ones who are truly sad and I really feel sorry for them... Specially due to the fact that I know first hand what it's like to see a loved one loose the battle to liver cancer. (Jobs had pancreatic cancer and lived for a LONG time, which is remarkable because pancreatic cancer is one of the most resilient and deadly forms of cancer in existance). What I don't agree with, however, is the position people put themselves in saying how horrible it is that he's died and how untimely his death was, etc. Just because he had money and was the leader of a big company doesn't make him more important than say my father or a dying man in Africa. That was my point, we all die, all this fuzz about his death is just because he was the leader of Apple. Had he been an anonymous engeneer working for Apple, we wouldn't even know he died. For all we know, nobody made a big fuzz when the iPhone factory workers commited suicide last year due to inhuman labor conditions, and correct me if I am wrong, but Apple made no statement regarding that. And if you ask me, Jobs might have had a great mind for marketing the products and making them unique with his ideas, but without the people working for the company, putting their efford into their jobs Apple would be nothing today.
What a load of insensitive bastards you lot are. I think people can agree that Steve Jobs wasn't an inventor, despite what the hideously misinformed media say. Steve jobs was a businessman, an auteur and a pioneer in the field. His style was taking concepts that had potential that were poorly executed, trimmed the fat and redistributed them. I am no fanboy: I own an HTC phone, 2 Windows 7 PCs, a Debian-based server, an ageing iBook G4 with a dead battery and is no longer supported (a fact I despise) and a 6-year old iPod. I admit that modern Apple products are not for me, but that doesn't mean they are not quality devices and that just because I don't use them makes me feel Apple should be scorned. The Apple I was one of the first usable machines out there (albeit in kit form), and with the market research garnered from the techies and the money they made, they produced what *is* credited as the first true home computer, the Apple II (and, believe me, $1000 was peanuts back in the day - even in 1994 my first Windows-based home computer cost $1000). Schools, homes and small businesses started to get their first PCs off the back of the Apple II. Suddenly, there was a scramble as many businesses popped up seemingly out of nowhere to capitalise on the PC boom. Whilst the Macintosh took design ideas from the Xerox Alto and it's Star operating system, they didn't 'steal' it. In fact, it was with the blessing of Xerox with Apple stock trading hands that the Macintosh launched in the first place. More importantly, it was the first GUI-based home computer designed for people who didn't know out the box what to do. Sure it was simplistic and not as techie, but it was a genius concept that, without it, would mean we would be years behind where we are now - it is pretty clear that the concepts in the Macintosh lead the style of Windows 3.0, 6 years later (Windows 1 and 2 were in no way as close to Macintosh's user-friendliness as people make out, they were more like bolt-ons to the DOS prompt). If you think Windows 7 doesn't take cues from MacOS, then you're an idiot. (Conversely, if you think that Apple products weren't in part based on pre-existing good ideas, you are also an idiot). He went on to change the face of film through Pixar and Apple Studio products (such as FCP), changed the face of music production and distribution through iTunes+iPod, changed the face of mobile communications with the iPhone (smartphones before the iPhone were clunky, unusable messes - I should know, I owned a mid-00s Windows Phone), has changed the face of portable computing (although no-one knows yet whether it's truly for the better) and died before his time. People call him a showman and a charlatan with a 'reality distortion field' (and you'd probably be right) but just because he was able to make anything look good didn't mean that he was trying to sell you a lemon. He was just a businessman trying to sell you a product, no different from any other businessman. Unlike other spin-masters though, he never sold anything he didn't really believe in and that's what made his spiel so good. A prior track record of quality and a passion meant that, after a time, you accepted that what he was saying was not a lie. I don't care if you blindly hate companies based on the fact they're more than you can afford and the general public like them because they function out of the box. I don't care that you froth at the mouth and say 'but these things existed before Apple got hold of them'. Apple has made every concept they've touched into something everyone can use, and Steve Jobs was the man that led them there. I honestly don't care that you'll call a man an arsehole though you've never had a conversation with him. The man was sharp, didn't accept fools lightly and was known to reek havoc on anyone that screwed up the plan, but in 20 years time those things will mean nothing, and all that will stand is his body of work, and damn - *what* a body of work he made. RIP Steve Jobs, a man I wish I could have met. PS: Comparisons with Edison are only misinformed because the media think that Edison didn't adapt other people's concepts too.
The more accurate version of the question is "who got to the place where the board allowed him to have access to the funds and development teams to see his inventions happen?" The business world is brutal. Great ideas are shat on every day. Making them happen is another thing... getting to a place where you can make them happen is another. I live in an nation that invented very little other than Meth Amphetamines, but enjoyed being "the best" in many industries for a while... if only one or two now. They will lose in the long run.
How did I know this thread was going to blow up into a love/hatred, insensitive vs senseless, pro apple vs pro whatever with a twist of the guy died of cancer show some respect fest. The fact is that a very controversial figure died that day no matter who you are, no matter what you believe in, you're now involved in a discussion about him. Like it or not he was a powerful influence on millions of lives. Let's take a moment to bow our heads and give a fallen friend/enemy/visionary/ass hole/cool guy a moment's contemplation. No matter what you thought of that guy (and I didn't think much of him myself), he made a massive impact. In one way or another you have to acknowledge and respect that.
He was hardly a bad man. He brought us products that have changed our daily lives. Have some respect.
