System Disk 2?

For the record Kalisto is Echelon, Kalisto did psx/ps2 released while echelon did DC. Same members were doing both.
Also it is knowin that Utopia was 4-5 member group two of which worked for Sega at the time.


I mean soon you are going to tell me Sega payed off Kalisto to stop. Well the internet said it so it must be true

 

No Kalisto were not Echelon! There were people who thought they were one and the same but they were not.

Kalisto started ripping dreamcast games but soon moved to focus on playstation only. Most likely due to the way sega were trying to crack down on dreamcast pirates.

 

Sure, ofcourse I wouldnt know anything considering myself and Punisher worked on the release of Super street fighter x for DC, and few others... I remember people going off that it was imposable to crack nfl 2k series for DC, and that craptasic Quake release under console chat.


but hey what do I know...

 

Nothing aparently it kinda showed when you started on about utopia being sega staff.

 

Bahh this thread got jacked for the orginal topic, like i stated....you read it on the interweeb so it must be true.

last time im going to reply to this

 

On June 23, 2000 Utopia released the DOA2 GD-Rom image that could be burned on to a cd along with the Utopia boot disk. All members of the German group Utopia were arrested on July 5, 2000. None of the members were Sega employees, instead they were a german pirating ring who had bought a Katana and used it to pry open the back door left in for the System Disk 2. They didn't discover the hole, they were just the first group to exploit it.

Kalisto started selling their self booting disks on ebay sometime in august (my memory is a bit fuzzy as to the date). Ebay shut them down, and Kalisto folded their Dreamcast pirating ring a week later and moved on to PSX. By september Echelon had taken up the slack and was selling their self loading boot disks on the net. Echelon != Kalisto, know your videogaming history.[font=Arial,Helvetica][size=-2][/size][/font]

 

No! Its not true! go away! :110:

 

BTW, is our beloved forum member Belokk the same Belokk that released the System Disc 2 on the net?

I apologize Belokk if you are not the one.

 

Think might be him but the disk does not work.

 

...another question.

Since even though one has a System Disc 2, but a Japanese GD-R with a US Dreamcaast, can one boot the System Disc 2, then insert the GD-R (although the game won't boot) and still be able to extract data with a DC-Coder's cable/BBA?

 

So, there's a way to boot non-selfboot cdr with the system disc 2?

The way this bug/feature was found is very obscure. I remember Randy (from Bleemcast) saying they did know about booting cdr way before Utopia releasing the boot disc (the proof is the bleemcast beta shown at 2000 E3).
We must not forget Datel, they relased the CDX disc some days before Utopia...



PD

 

Sorry for the bump, but here's a little something of interest to some.

I have finally compiled a GD-ROM project of the SYSTEM-DISC 2.

Here is the log:

 

I'm curius if you succeed, if you do then allot of systemdisc2 owners will be upset that their precious disc is worth nothing .

 

on the flip side of that though...

white label DC games on ebay should get more valuable if more people can boot them.

 

People can already boot White labels, they're (normally) identical to the released version just with a different label, and they're on pressed GDs. I think you mean GDs

 

White labels == pretty much equal to retail discs. Will boot in any standard DC.

It's the GD-Rs that require a System Disc 2 to boot and even then, it's possible to boot a GD-R without one by doing a simple disc swap.

-hl718

 

Why is that that a GD beta requires a boot disk but a bootleg some guy makes of a retail game works fine?

 

Bootlegs are most likely on selfboot CD-Rs, a completely different method of burning Dreamcast games compared to on an official GD-R. Those bootlegs that are not selfboot require the unofficial Utopia Boot Disc.

Perhaps Sega wanted to charge developers more money by having to purchase an addition boot disc for any game they burn...

 

What is the difference between a normal gd and a gd-r? Why the DC don't boot the second, what is missing?

 

The different is that the MIL-CD boot routine was a security hole that was missed in QA. The BIOS should have *never* allowed those discs to bootstrap in that way, yet it did. It wasn't about wanting to charge developers more but about security. Sega didn't want the GD-Rs to be self-booting in case someone knicked the format and figured out how to make knock off GD-Rs in HK and China. Sega never thought that booting games off CD-R would ever be an issue.

As for the difference between a GD and a GD-R, what's the difference between a Saturn CD and a CD-R or a PlayStation CD and a CD-R? One has the necessary security code to pass the boot checks on a retail system while the other does not.

GD is more or less equivalent to a pressed CD.
GD-R is more or less equivalent to a CD-R.

-hl718