technology gone wrong... O_o?

There needs to be a balance. You can go too far either way. I think, as most people seem to, that killing animals just for the fun of it is not justifiable. Half the reason I think that is because I think that killing people is not justifiable - and that's where the activist lost it. It's the same hypocrisy as the anti-abortion protestors killing doctors who perform abortions.

 

Exactly. Of course only someone from the south would understand. All the guys from the north are like "Don't kill the poor little deers, what did they ever do to you." First of all, it's deer not deers. Second, the hunters who kill the deer actually eat the meat, nothing gets wasted. Third, there is only one time in the year when you can hunt, it's not an all year thing. Hunting helps regulate the amount of deer that are running around. Also, deer meat tastes really really good. So you see, it's not one big kill fest. People still use bows, muzzleloaders, and of course modern guns.

About my coment of the animal rights activists, once again Mr. Casual is right. I am not for the torture of animals at all, but when people get mad about something as simple as hunting and start doing outrageous things to try and stop it, especially when they know nothing about it, that's when I get mad. Crazy animal rights activists are full of shit!

The comment about hanging the head on the wall is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You do realize that that is just a hide stretched over a mold right? They remove the hide and cut off the horns, then give the actual head to their dogs. Again, like Mr. Casual said, the meat that is not used by the hunters is given to their dogs.

 

That's bullshit. A lot of people hunt for sport and do shit with the meat. That's a waste. Fuck man, why do you need to frigging kill a deer anyway? Go to the grocery store and buy some.

The only fucking population out of control is our own.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't buy deer at the grocery store. Don't be an idiot.

 

There is deer sold in Colorado, but its not cheap. They might be farm-raised. Which brings me to another thing-Do you feel bad for the cow that had a Pin type thing put in his head in the slaughter house? Its a mechanism that is used to kill cows that are on the line. A pin goes through their head into their brain. Do you guys feel bad for the cow that lost its life? Especially while eating a steak? How about that poor fish that got a hook in its mouth or ran out of air for a few minutes, or longer. I bet you cry while eating that sushi or Fish stick. I bet you wail while eating that chicken, too.
Thats a fact of life- animals have to die, so people can eat. Vegetarian BS is not healthy for you, at all. You need to eat meat. What difference does it make if the animal you eat is domestic or wild? Do you only want Domesticated animals to suffer?
Yeah, some people hunt for sport, but not where im from. I think the most "Sport hunting" is probably done in Africa, by...Europeans.
Hunting for sport isnt just an "America" thing. It happens all over the world.
And Einbebop, let me say it, again, WE DONT WASTE OUR FOOD! What is the point in wasting food? A deer can last us a year, but some years we dont see many, so we share our food, and we dont waste it.

 

Ok, maybe not the grocery store, but you can buy it in shops.

 

Maybe YOU don't waste your food, but YOU aren't everyone. Many, many people hunt for sport, and simply hang the head on their wall. Lots of people. It's obvious when someone goes out hunting with these big ass sniper scopes and shit like that they ain't doing it for food.

 

Yes, but people who hunt for food get as much BS from animal rights activists as sport hunters do.

 

I don't have a problem with hunting for food at all. I actually don't have a problem with hunting for sport, as long as it's in moderation and not completely wasteful.

But when these "macho" idiots walk out there with their sniper rifles with heat seeking scope and bullets that can rip through an elephant, I get pissed. Especially the ones who shoot like 10 animals just to hang 'em on their wall.

:-(

 

My point exactly.

 

You were doing pretty good up until here. Your point about people being prepared to kill the meat they eat and the welfare of the meat that you buy from shops etc, good arguments. This though is complete crap. It's perfectly possible for a vegetarian to have a full and healthy diet; in fact it's far more likely that a vegetarian will eat a healthy and balanced diet since they're not eating so much lipids and saturated fats. You do not need to eat meat, go ask a doctor or a physician and they will tell you the same (I'm not a vegetarian btw, just in case this is sounding like a sales pitch).

 

I have heard that Vegetarians need to take vitamin supplements that they ordanarily wont get from not eating meat...
Besides, the taste of meat is worth eating it, alone. :smt043

 

I dont know... I just could never kill an animal... I literaly see all living creatures as equals... I would be just as devistated to kill a deer as a person. I LOVE animals... I once accidentaly killed a hamster when I was young, and I still get upset when I think about it...

 

Nah, you don't have to take additional vitamins.

What you DO have to do is plan out your meals in advance so you know you're getting the protien, iron, etc.

The problem with being 100% vegetarian is that half your day is set aside planning what you're going to eat, how you're going to cook it, wondering if the resurant you're going to has any vegetarian dishes, etc. I think if it wasn't such a pain the ass more people would do it.

And if you're trying to go organic vegan you might as well get a job at the health food store, becasue you're going to spend a lot of time there anyway. Eating organic basically means you can't trust any produce that comes out of an average grocery store unless it's certified 100% organic, which, of course, they usually don't tell you.

In fact, your produce could come from Mexico and be covered in DDT and they don't have to tell you. The grocery store wouldn't even know. That's NAFTA for you. Anyway....

Myself, I have severely limited the amount of red meat I consume, like maybe one hamburger a month. But shellfish (especially shrimp) is like kryptonite to me. Damn I love shrimp. I don't feel bad about it; it's not like shrimp are endangered or anything.

 

You might want to check your facts before you start polarizing the nation just by which half people live on.

And you don't get out of urban centers much, do you? Being someone from a very rural state, I can authoritively say that the vast majority of people here eat or sell meat gained by hunting. And if by 'big ass sniper scopes" you mean a scope on a rifle, let me put it this way - you can either open-sight (for those of you who have never touched a gun, it means to use just the sights on the rifle, and no scope) a deer 200 yards away and hope you don't inflict a painful gut shot that allows the deer to run off and die a painful death somewhere were you can't find it, or you can use a scope to aim for a clean and painless kill for the animal. Which sounds better?

*sigh* Why can't people just stick to talking about things they are knowledgeable about? :smt009 I'm not an avid hunter, as I don't care for the blood-and-guts aspect of cleaning animals, but it really gets me to hear people who have never used a firearm or gone out hunting with responsible hunters, condemn something that is indeed a lifestyle to a great deal of Americans, and one that is done far more responsibly than sensationalist activist groups make it out to be.

I don't think he's referring to legit organizations like the Nature Conservancy, Ducks Unlimited, or anything else, but rather the ones we hear about on the news like PETA - an extremely radical animal-rights group here (coiners of the phrase, "Meat Is Murder", I believe). Here's a bit more info: http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21

You can see how 'animal rights activist' can have a negative connotation with representatives like these, or the screwy fuck in that article. It's not a term that is ever applied to level-headed conservationists, and with good reason.

 

Ok ok ok, you got me on this one. Maybe I should have said "All the guys that don't know shit about hunting" :-D

GSL is correct. I was talking about groups such as PETA.

 

Hunting for food is different than hunting for sport but when it comes down to it, few people eat deer as a staple food.

I'm a little shaken by the PETA statement. PETA stands for the ethical treatment of animals, how is that full of shit? Is the EPA full of shit too because it looks out for you? I find the NRA to be full of shit.

 

Well to be honest, I find the NRA to be full of shit as well, just so you don't have the impression that I'm some right-wing gun nut. However, while the goal of ethical treatment for animals is an admirabe and needed one, PETA's ideas of what constitutes ethical treatment and their methods of working for it and getting their message across to the general public are really, really messed up - take a look at the link I posted before.

 

people keep saying that most hunters don't use the meat....I was raised in a hunting familly....all of the famillies of those my parents played golf with were hunting families and most of my friends famillies were hunters....I never really got into deer hunting (turkey mostly) but all but one hunting familly I know of used and stored the meat for use...and as GSL said the Scope is much more humane than a blind long distance shot that goes through a rear flank as opposed to bringing it down immediately. I'm no redneck and I'm well educated in addition to being from a hunting background and I maintain that MOST hunters take the bad rap for the very few who try to ruin it.