Terrible animal cruelty

but just for the record the beubonic plauge is not the same as the black death.

 

Uh, yeah it is.

 

where are the clues to it is the same then ?

since only the first two stages are the same of the desease

(or did i missread the sentence that you said i was right it is NOT the same ? )

since it is NOT the same because the beubonic plauge can´t "travel" so long(at that speed/pace the black death did) distances but a virus can and the black death was a virus (maybe an extreme influenza virus ?)

 

It wasn't an airborne death virus. Come on, this isnt Terranigma , it spread through food and contact to other people. And back then, they werent prepared for that kind of nightmare, so it spread even worse. Sailors prolly got it, and you know how they can spread shit. Something like rat feces on food, and people ate it and get sick, and soon a whole town has it, then a county/area has it, and it goes all over the place. If it *was* Airborne, Dark Gaia and Beruga would be to blame.
Sorry couldnt resist.

 

The Black Death is the name of an epidemic of beubonic plague. :smt1069

 

well ok to the joke .

but seriously almost every scientist today does not support the theory about the beubonic plauge and black death are the same but a person who wrote a book about the black death was ridiculed since he was not a scientist who was working with viruses(but he made people think since a lot scientists does not support the old theory)

and my sources are from a documentary made in collaberation with Swedish people Danish people and other people (european and from other places again )

and the documentary was in 5 episodes if i remember correct and it was called "Plague Over Europe"

einbebop44: look at this post too since i am sure the documentary has been showen to the rest of the world

(if not , then it is a shame since it is very mind and eye opening)

 

http://www.insecta-inspecta.com/fleas/bdeath/Black.html

http://www.themiddleages.net/plague.html

http://history.boisestate.edu/westciv/plague/05.shtml

The bubonic plague was the most common type of the three illnesses during the Black Death. The Black Death was an epidemic that swept Europe during the late Middle Ages.

The Black Death is not an actual disease, it is the name given to an epidemic.

 

yes yes einbebop44: and the discussion is boring since we all could fire with arguments for and against and opinons and i don´t think it will get any way so back to topic animal cruelty is bad.(i don´t want to discuss it since it is useless for me to discuss it but don´t worry

 

The Black Death was simply a colloquial expression for bubonic plague - in the same way 'the consumption' referred to tuberculosis. The nickname comes from the fact that patches of skin - usually near the site of infection - would become a sickly grey/black color.

Pointless symantics aside, the original point was that rats are known carriers of all sorts of nasty things - we haven't had to bother with the plague for, oh, I'd say a few years or so, so it would be pretty silly to fault a species for diseases it carried hundreds of years ago. Truth is, rats remain a very potent vector today, even if the things they carry aren't nearly as terrifying as the plague. Hell, hantavirus alone is pretty creepy. Only thing I've ever heard of with birds nearby is getting a bad case of feather mites, which are uncomfortable as hell but die off quickly.

Of course, I didn't originally mention the plague itself specifically because it's not something that would concern anyone today, but I suppose that subtlety was lost in the reading...

 

What about Avian Flu? :no







Just a joke folks.

 

Monster.

 

This is not an opinion based "arguement." I'm right, and that's the end of the story. Google search it, ask a historian, anyone.

 

Wasn't the bubonic plauge carried by fleas though? Or has that theory come into question? I don't really keep up on this stuff. I did hear once about 20 years ago there was an outbreak of the plauge here in California from infected squirrels.

The video didn't load. I'll assume it was something pretty disgusting.

I would say that things like rat traps are more humane than glue traps, manily because death is instantaneous rather than the animal breaking it's neck or starving to death. One time I was in my garage in my old house and there was a monitor lizard on one of the glue traps. I pryed it loose with a butterknife and let it go. A few days later there I checked it again and there was a dead mouse on it. For some reason I didn't feel so bad about it.

We used to live right next to this wilderness area when I was a kid, so every summer we got rodents. One summer during a heat wave we caught nine in one day. After that there were no more problems for the whole year.

One year we got huge ass super rats that made all this noise, running around in the walls. Yeah it sucks they have to die when all they're doing is what comes natural to them, but try thinking that when you turn on the light in your kitchen and there's a huge, 2 foot, red eyed, yellow toothed disgusting piece of vermin spreading it's germs in the area where you prepare food. Try living with those things, then see how bad you feel to hear the trap go off.

 

I know, man. I feel EXTREMELY bad when I have to kill a mouse or rat. I don't know, like... guilty. Especially with mice. No idea why, though.
Now that I have 3 cats, though, I rarely ever see anything remotely resembling a rodent near the house.

 

Rats were the initial carriers, and while through bites or feces the disease was passed on to humans, but fleas played a huge role in the whole thing - most cases were contracted by being bitten by a flea that had previously fed on an infected rat. They were a sortof middleman for the whole thing. Of course, nobody likes fleas even when they don't carry diseases.

To this day, there have been isolated outbreaks of plague around the world, but not since the middle ages has it been an epidemic of such proportions. Usually the outbreaks happen in small rural areas, and as you noted, rodents are the main vector of infection.

 

Hawanja the whole thing is that the old theory of the black death was Bubonic Plauge or not and i was ridiculed since i got some information the other members do not believe that i am telling the truth

and yes i belived that bubonic plauge was the black death untill i saw that documentary

and damn motherfucking shit (not intended to anyone so please don´t be offended since i am just cursing) and no i don´t believe the black death was bubonic plauge

and bubonic plauge is not that infectionous like the black death was (not even the lounge version) only today it can infect faster than the first time that person said the BD was bubonic plauge since BP does not have a infection radius like the BD had .

and the black rat does not live in Europe (of what i know)

and only the two first stages in the two deseases are the same but not always

so IT IS a matter of opinions and not just facts !.

 

So, there were many diseases then that together were called "the Black Death?"

Pretty fasinating. I take it the Bubonic plauge was just the highest killer during the medevil epidemic in Europe then?

Of course, back then you could die from anything, an infected scrape, a rotten tooth, a broken arm that got ganinreenous, etc. Not hard to get a disease when you live in filth and sqalor.

 

According to Wiki: "Historical records attribute the Black Death to an outbreak of bubonic plague, an epidemic of the bacterium Yersinia pestis spread by fleas with the help of animals like the black rat (Rattus rattus), although today's experts debate both the microbiological culprit and mode of transmission."
So there is some debate as to what the black death was, like WolverineDK said, and the black death was not an actual illness in itself, like ein said.

Again, according to Wiki:
"The plague consisted of three forms: bubonic, pneumonic, and septicemic. The septicemic and bubonic plague were transmitted with direct contact with fleas, while the pneumonic plague was transmitted through airborne droplets of saliva coughed up by bubonic or septicemic infected humans. The bacteria multiplied inside a flea, blocking its stomachs and causing it to become very hungry. The flea would then start voraciously biting a host and continue to feed because it was unable to satisfy its hunger. During the feeding process infected blood carrying the plague bacteria flows into the wound. The plague bacteria then has a new host and the fleas eventually die from starvation. The pneumonic plague has a different form of transmission. It is transmitted through infected droplets sprayed from the lungs and mouths of infected people. The bacteria then enters the lungs through the windpipe and starts attacking the lungs and throat."

 

sorry i just need to smile

 

It's not a matter of opinion, when you're clearly wrong. Christ, just admit it when you're incorrect, it makes you look like less of an idiot.