The attempts to smear me and my reputation, and harm the site.

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  1. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    I'm not sure how many of you are aware of the group of people who
    repeatedly try to damage this board, distract the users and cause problems and drama.

    But they ARE there.

    They repeatedly join, post statements that cause confusion and sow lies to
    make people doubt my character. Whenever guest posting or non-moderated
    users are allowed, they spampost. Post unfounded claims. They take up issues
    between users and make them their own, to make themselves important, or to
    take joy out of the pain they cause.

    It's called "[size=-1]Schadenfreude"[/size]. It means to take malicious joy out of another's misfortune.

    A lot of people wonder "why did so and so leave".

    The truth of the matter is a small group of people tried to turn people against
    each other to create drama and controversy, to make themselves seem
    "insiders" or important to the interactions of members on this board.

    So where do these people get these ideas?

    Most of us here aren't very involved with the internet. We log on, check news
    and posts. However, some people lurk on irc channels 14 hours a day. A
    perceived slight or lack of "respect" for them (as they are so esteemed in their
    own opinions) becomes an direct insult in their minds.

    After several hours of feeding this back and forth between themselves, they
    are filled with indignation. Meanwhile, normal people haven't even logged on
    yet. However this bomb of seething anger is brewing, to be released upon the
    forums and myself.

    So what causes this in these people?

    Ego. Perceived importance. Imbalance. Jealousy.

    All boards need moderation of posts to keep them on topic, for the removal of
    instances when users flame each become perceived disrespect.

    A simple moderation of a user-user spat, becomes an insult upon the
    important person who is old engineer.

    People in irc pass back and forth how the moderators conspire, hate, loathe
    them. How the other person in the arguement was being "sided with".

    There comes a point when you think you are so important, you believe it
    yourself. At that point moderation becomes impossible.

    So these uninvolved people, these cheerleaders of discontent go to work.

    Some people take themselves so seriously,so narcissistically, that ANY change
    to any thread or post they are part of is perceived as a direct insult, and they
    fall right into the hands of these uninvolved people.

    To make things worse, some people don't post their concerns if they feel
    "wronged". They make no attempt for the issue to be resolved calmly and
    logically. We ARE a community.

    So they don't even ask the admin about the "wrongs". They do find waiting
    ears on IRC, and are fed lie upon lie. They get this burning feeling of injustice in
    them until they inexplicably demand to leave.

    YOU CAN'T TREAT ME LIKE THIS I AM SPECIAL, AND SO AND SO SAID YOU SAID
    THIS ABOUT ME SECRETLY!!

    While this is going on, you have the little fish darting about with false and
    inflamatory statements.

    "The mods don't like you"
    "The mods are doing it to spite you"
    "I heard so and so say that the mods said this and this about you"

    The main people doing this were programming ace, skitzo, and a few others.

    They repeatedly tried time and time again to sabotage my efforts to fix the
    situation with old engineer. Relaying third party statements, and intentionally
    causing problems. I almost had him convinced to listen to logic, but their stream
    of lies won. Old engineer left. He had been insulted to the point he HAD to
    leave.

    All without ever talking to the site admin, or posting his concerns before acting
    to leave. Plus, in an act of revenge, he gutted his posts of all useful content. To
    spite "those people".

    If old engineer think that these people are his confidants, his friends, he is
    sorely mistaken. They are two faced people who cause trouble just to do so.

    So old engineer leaves. He thinks "The mods hate me/ side with others/ disrespect me" He fully believes their lies.

    But there isn't enough trouble for these people.
    We then have a round of "bye bye tour" and "leaving" posts,
    intentionally trying to create havok.

    We all remember the hack attacks from the sonic Xtreme auction.
    Well these same sonic people are in the same irc channel as these
    former site members. And they work together. They share a common hatred of me and the site. They could care less about the community. They want
    to destroy it. Like the barbarians at the gates to rome, they want to destroy
    what is better than they have / are.

    So in response to them leaving, if you want to leave, leave.
    They just wanted to create confusion. Even as late as today, programming ace
    is still trying to guest post and read the forums, when he so vehemently wanted to leave. So it's not that they wanted to leave. It's that they wanted to
    start trouble. He's still here, reading this, and it's not for the gaming content or
    articles. He's here reading so he can feed people drama and lies and create more trouble.

    Yet these people are NOT satisfied. They have a grudge.

    So they log on, and say things like:

    "He stole my money"
    "He never sent user x his item"

    Mind you they aren't even involved with user "x", and the situation was resolved weeks ago. They pick up these situations and twist them to
    give themselves ammo to to smear me.

    Now I have openly said, over and over, if anyone has a problem with
    a transaction to email me. (assemblerex@gmail.com)

    I bend over backwards to make sure that my transactions go well.
    Please keep in mind that I sell an awful lot of stuff, and problems do occur.

    I should be allowed as a business to make the logical attempts to claim on insurances and make claims on items in the due process of fixing situations.

    I am an honest man. If you feel you have been wronged, e-mail me and I will address your problems.

    Site donations:

    There's a lot of attempts to smear me on this. That I spent it on a 360, that I spent it on this, that, etc. That I shouldn't try to get donations as I have a "good job".

    The whole point of donations is that we're a community. We're supposed to help out when the site is in need. Is it too much to ask for donations?

    Here we have a site with no ad banners, no adwords, no censorship. Dedicated server so we answer to NO ONE.

    This costs me $160 +6% tax per month. In the last two years I have spent over
    $4000 just so you have the ability to read posts and enjoy information without being hounded by banners or ads.

    I collected enough donations to buy us a VBB license, and to have some backup funds. The backup funds are in a bank account for a rainy day. I even have a thread keeping accounts with the money spent.

    Yet some people feel jealous that I have a job, and that I own a 360, and that I am not dirt poor. They wish I had none of the above. So they attack me. "Rich boy collecting money, stealing your money, etc."

    I ask that you be aware of the extreme costs to myself that this site creates,
    and to express some understanding, if not some gratitude.


    Atttack the "rich boy" "asshole"

    Just by being the site owner, for arranging it so that hard to get games
    appear for sale, I get flamed and attacked. For I hold the key to
    "treasures" they desire, but as jobless slouches, have no money to buy.
    How dare he sell what I demand to have for free! Rich asshole is
    hoarding what we want! Attack!

    PERSONALLY ATTACKED.


    We had the whole sonic hoax, and my home internet was attacked, the server
    was crashed, my ip addresses were banned, and all my EBAY AUCTIONS are
    sabotaged.

    So basically just for owning this site, I no longer have an outlet to use ebay.
    These people are so spiteful over items they desire and cannot have, they
    try to harm me as much as possible, for I am the enemy.

    I even had my life threatened several times.

    To sum things up, I spend an awful lot of money on the site, and I get an awful
    lot of shit over it. Even as far as suffering financially and to get threats.

    I hope now that I have expalined things you understand the situation, and any
    bad thoughts that these people have put in your head are now removed.

    Please don't believe the lies and slander.

    I am willing to suffer through all this as I believe in this site, and the vision behind it.

    As with all things that stand out as good, there are people who seek to destroy
    it and ruin it's reputation. Much like how the press tries to slander a popular
    actor. It's good drama, and it gets them attention.

    All I ask is that you trust me further.

    You've been with me this far since way back in 1995, and I hope that you will
    now see these trolls for what they are and won't play into their lies.

    -ASSEMbler
     
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  2. Dot50Cal

    Dot50Cal Moderator

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    Long read but a good one. Glad to see you finally issue a statement on this.

    Just to chime in here about Kev's rep. I did a transaction with him for an NR Reader back before I even had 20 posts. Everything went perfectly fine and it was sent fast. Great price too. I've never had any issues with Kevin and he seems to be a perfectly reasonable individual. I've heard the rumors sure, Kev's a conman, this and that but I dont see any direct evidence. When questioned further all the disputes I've heard of come back to mis-understandings on the part of buyers. Even then Kev has shown that he is up to the task of making it right even if it is a losing proposition for him.

    I went in to investigate some of the claims to see for myself. It all boiled down to some people just didnt read descriptions properly and wont let certain items they bought be returned. Thats where the majority of this comes from. People who buy things without understanding the nature of it, and then they get pissed off. But they wont return it for a refund for some odd reason. Perhaps its because they know they most likely wont find another?

    As for ebay, people act like hes some rich guy who can afford to lose an NR reader or whatever here and there so he gets slammed with shit. Kev's just a private citizen not a store.
     
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  3. XerdoPwerko

    XerdoPwerko Galaxy Angel Fanatic Extreme - Mediocre collector.

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    I, for one, will always trust the boss.

    Long live Assembler.
     
  4. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    God dammit! assembler dude I didnt know things were this bad! jeez, I mean you could hire a lawyer and sue the bastards for the sole fact they threatened your life!

    Honestly thaI didnt felt the site was overmoderated but more like "partially" moderated since sometimes I got a mod warning for things other users like skitzo did all the time. But since him and PA seem to be banned or something (since I havent seen any posts from them in weeks) then I think thats over.

    Anyway, about the funds issue, 4 grands? you could get a complete nextgen array for that. If getting some banners and ad stuff helps then no problemo with me, go ahead. Try some googleads to start...

    I really appreciate the conversations and info I get from these forums. Is hard to find a well balanced community like this in a net full of fanboys forums and idiot-casuals boards.

    Good luck assembler, and remember, if those fuckers threaten you again get a lawyer. Is the best you can do...
     
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  5. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    It must be remembered that it is the passion that we share for similar objects that has brought us here together in conversation and interaction, and not the desire to create drama or disputes.
    We're here to exchange information amicably, not to put each-other down or show-off. Smooth relations between members is the only way to feed our hunger for more about the subjects of these boards :)
     
  6. WolverineDK

    WolverineDK music lover

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    Kevin-sama, if any one in Denmark talks bad about you. Then you know that I stand by your side, and that is the truth.

    Kevin-sama: You rock dude :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  7. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    Some of my trouble relates that I can't do business on ebay without it
    affecting me here.

    I sell items, and only ship insured as I can't 100% guaranted that everything is perfect.
    I sell too much to test every single item 100%.

    The problem is I have a lot of items people consider rare, so when they get (for example)
    one of the many TEST ps2 I have, it's a big deal to them, and some of them
    unrealistically expect perfection and 100% dream system.

    If you want a new in box, buy the nib one for $600, don't come and yell at me
    when you spend $320 and it's not "new".

    The times whem people get an item and it doesn't work, all the sudden I'm
    ripping them off, and of course they didn't keep the box or file for insurance.
    Of course this is months later, after they've put a 9800 pro in a system with a
    50 watt power supply.

    I made the mistake of not sending insured a few times, and I wound up sending someone a THREE green psone debugs just to get the situation taken care of.
    I lose money sometimes, but I do so to make sure that I have a completed transaction.

    It's easy to say "oh you didn't pay insurance, sorry"
    Instead I wind up sending / swapping units and lose money.
    So I had to take a hard line approach. No warranty / insured the item is what you
    see.

    And yes, I do have people I sell items to and they refuse to send them back even broken
    for a refund as the item is so rare. So instead they hold this over my head forever..
    I am willing to give you a refund ! If you refuse, you have no right to talk shit about me forever. I sold skitzo a beater blue psone debug for $50. Well below normal price.
    It arrived not working, so I said, fine I will send you a refund. But no, he refused the refund, held onto it, and then spent $30 for a laser to fix it. he then held it over my head for ages.

    If I go to the point of offering you a 100% refund , you have no right to give me shit.

    It's like digital press, I sold him a gameboy vision, insured. He tells me like a year later,
    it didn't work. I mean, why you telling me a year later? It was insured for a reason.
    But still I get reminded, harassed. There's a certain cut off to my obligation to any sale.
    Yet people will still hold a grudge. That's just the way people are.


    The current issues I have:

    Buyatari: Somehow the green debug I sold him had no back io cover.
    It's taken me several months to get one of those damn io covers for him,
    but I made the effort and just sent it to him. Why? because I care to make sure
    everyone is happy.

    Sometimes I feel like I'm under a giant magnifying glass, and I can't do ANYTHING
    without being picked apart.
     
  8. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    Kevin, your concern about sales and refunds is clearly understandable. It must be kept in mind, as in all business transactions, formalities are there so people don't start blame games. To remind of the formalities before-hand as a standard overhead of any transaction might save you some trouble and bitching from unsatisfied customers. Setting everything in black and white is an important step before any transaction.
     
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  9. madhatter256

    madhatter256 Illustrious Member

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    Don't worry about me, I don't have any doubts about you and won't. I'm very much nuetral in these issues.


    A lot of it is still from the acclaim auction I presume? I remember you showing me the tons of pictures of boxes full of stuff, that I doubt you are able to sell on mass in ebay, etc., as well as the public storage lockers you had to rent out (I don't know if you still are).

    So yeh, I understand what you are saying and why you feel the way you do now.
     
  10. ServiceGames

    ServiceGames Heretic Extraordinaire

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    Assembler thank you for putting all of this out in the open and letting us know what is going on. Situations like this would almost drive me to ditch the sight all together, but you push on and I'm sure I can speak for most of the members(at least the ones that are worth a crap) in saying that we're glad you keep persevering. I have found no other place even remotely like assemblergames and if it were to ever just up and dissappear, my internet usage would drop by about 90%.

    So thanks for giving me a place that keeps me glued to my computer screen and satiates my thirst for knowledge.

    -ServiceGames-
     
  11. babu

    babu Mamihlapinatapai

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    why does these things keep on happening? this just makes me depressed [​IMG]
     
  12. Phinn

    Phinn Gutsy Member

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    Dang, there's a lot of drama queens out there. Things always tend to get out of hand when you combine obsessive idiots with internet anonymity, especially if money is involved.

    Hang in ASSEMbler. For every hater, there's a dozen people who really appreciate this site. Sometimes we just need to let you know that we're here. Personally, I'd buy a TEST PS2 off you anyday ;)
     
  13. WolverineDK

    WolverineDK music lover

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    Some time ago, I wanted a GBA Action Replay, and since I don´t have credit card, and other kinds of internet paying options, there I asked Kevin to buy me the GBA AR max, and I would send him the money via a registred letter, and he bought it to me, and I sent him the money, where I payed both for the product and the posting. And every thing went fine.

    This is a thing, I can say about Kevin, and that is I am really proud of knowing him, and thankfull for that he bought the product, and I couldn´t do that, without his help. So well kevin, does really go a mile, to help people. In certain areas.


    So to any one who don´t believe me, then I am sorry for saying this, but it is the truth, because of my situation I can´t pay via the internet. But now you know this story.
     
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  14. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    Maybe for the same reason shit keeps happening in these days.

    People with no ethics nor common sense at all keep coming into the world, and is a sad truth but most of the time mean people succeed...
     
  15. kammedo

    kammedo and the lost N64 Hardware Docs

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    Assembler, Its plain and simple : you started what you see here. Would you ever fight against it / destroy it? No.
    Be confident in yourself and in your work! It's the only thing whom you can really trust (as far as you cvan trust a "thing"). As long as you'll be sincere to your work, you wont be wrong at all. And trust me that will make us follow you down to hell if necessary!
     
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  16. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    You mean me?
     
  17. Yakumo

    Yakumo Pillar of the Community *****

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    What can I say that hasn't been said already? We trust you Kevin ! You run a fantastic site and forum for us all to gather ! I've been coming here since 1998 after searching for news on famiclones. If ASSEMbler went I'd be very upset. To me, this community is part of my life now. It's like sitting down to watch my favourite show or play my favourite game or even talk to my best mate. It's always here !

    Yakumo
     
  18. madhatter256

    madhatter256 Illustrious Member

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    You are pretty much right, Yakumo. How could it be all a scam now when you have been with this site for that long?
     
  19. Hawanja

    Hawanja Ancient Deadly Ninja Baby

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    The one item I ever bought form Kevin was a DVD back when he had the auction. It never came, I sent a little reminder but didn't think anything of it, it was a $7 item after all. Kevin went out and bought me a brand new copy of the same DVD and sent it to me, losing money in the process, even after I told him it was cool. Just an example of how he goes the extra mile for his people.

    And if anyone ever threatens your life again (over a website? Come on people, let's try not to be so pathetic) then you should have the bastards locked up in jail. That shit isn't funny, we interact over a forum, in real life we really have no idea who the person is behind the threats or how serious they are. That's fucking bullshit and cannot be tolerated.
     
  20. HHogan

    HHogan Robust Member

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    The problem is people take this board too seriously.

    Just sit back, shoot the shit, and relax. Don't take things seriously, and don't go ape shit because someone said something you didn't like.

    I've seen it so many times where boards are broken up, and new ones are formed because of it. Everything always stems from people disagreeing how things are run, think they can do better, and set out to convince themselves that what they are doing is for the greater good.

    Word of advice: Life is short, don't waste it on stupid interweb wars. Go out, have some fun, keep busy and then come on the board to chill and relax. You won't take things so seriously at that point because you won't have the energy ;)
     
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