The great "Prototype trade-off" thread!

My point is that I do believe in free sharing, and I think community contribute a lot more to games preservation than few Noble collectors, who isn't releasing anything, or release only things, which lose it's value.
There is also ethical part: I do not think, that person in possession of some old proto cartridge have any moral right of not releasing ROM (not the cartridge, but only digital ROM), if he isn't involved into development of this product.

 

I prefer free sharing, but you can't have everything. Can't force it on others through talks of morals either, since everyone has their own ethics and morals. I think this is the first time I've ever seen anyone say it's immoral not to release something for free just because I wasn't involved in the development, either. Especially with something as in the grey as prototypes and their possession, that's just an odd thing to try to argue.

I'm gonna try my best to just ignore any further complaining as I think this forum has had enough thread where people argue over proto morals.

In other news, stuff is happening behind the scenes

 

I didn't "miss the point." (unless the users post was poorly conveyed) I am pretty proficient at the English language, and when you say something along the lines of, "Sharing prototype pictures and videos without dumping the game has NEVER had a positive effect." That is a patently absurd statement, not to mention incorrect.

Do you know how many people visit these forums for just that? The negativity around 1.5 was slightly justified for certain people, but overall it was just a bunch of losers complaining that they don't get something that everyone else has, which is childish, and I have no sympathy for those who think they deserve anything they see.

Also, you say,

Well why the fuck would you say the minority of viewers who are level headed enough not to feel entitled and are positively effected are irrelevant? If anything, they are the only relevant thing. The negativity caused by rabid hoards of greedy scamming losers should be dismissed as waste.

 

Here's a more fun idea: offer to release a ROM if someone else releases a ROM. I'll participate in that if anyone's interested.

 

+1 to that. Although that's how it's always been, until some douchebag decided "no, I paid big bucks for this, I'm not sharing, why should I?" Not to mention he's crapping all over the work all the people before him have done (releasing romsets etc which he probably used before too)

 

No, that's not how it's always been at all, it's always been all or nothing. With this system you get something out of it (another ROM), and it encourages friendly competition.

I've got a bunch of stuff I've probably forgotten about sitting around. I'm not interested in privately trading ROMs, but if we wanted to start putting up public release bounties in exchange for other ROMs, I'd have fun participating and we'd all benefit.

 

You seem to be misunderstanding what I say on purpose, repeating your misunderstanding even though I have clarified that the statement relates to the total effect. I don't know why you would continue to argue about what I meant when I wrote those words.

There are a lot of swear words for someone who claims to be level headed. A few sicophants do not make the showing off worthwhile.

 

I also came up with the same idea some time ago, just never pursued it since I don't know how easily it would catch on. For one thing this system I have for this topic encourages continuous sharing since it would keep going back and forth. With that system, two people release something and then it ends there, unless someone else catches on and decides to do the same.

For now, I'll stick with my plan, BUT: if at least five other people come in here and say they'll go with that plan, I'll join in. I actually just got an unreleased game through this trade that I have permission from the anonymous donator to share if I want, and they don't mind me sharing Cotton either if I choose to somewhere down the road, so that's two games I can offer for two other releases.

See, this is a more productive course of discussion, rather than all the individuals that like to label their wants as for the "community." If a lot of people that actually have neat stuff can get together and share stuff they otherwise wouldn't have even let the public know they have, that's a positive thing, and also a huge point of this whole idea. Just a shame it's so easily missed because of the misplaced entitlement from some.

 

If you'd explain it better maybe it wouldn't seem like that. You are saying the masses get upset that they don't get a beta and you acknowledge that a smaller amount of people get joy out of just seeing the pics and videos. Well it doesn't matter that the masses are whiney and unable to control their urge to verbally state their need to have this file, that is their problem altogether.
Please explain it better in a PM to me if you must.

I used one "swear" word in that whole rant, and it was a perfect time to use such a word. The word "fuck" basically is a verbal exclamation point. If you are going to just try and get a rise out of people instead of responding to what they actually are saying, then you are just a troll. Someday you'll learn that words are just words, some don't hold magical power over the others.
Good luck Brams, I am done replying in this thread unless it pertains to the subject at hand.

 

Let's hope things calm down now, and thanks for the support. Anyway, to get things moving I may as well post what I've got.

Prototype #2: Gauntlet(unreleased) for NDS



This game was scheduled to be released in 2008, but didn't make it. AFAIK there's a demo of some sort out there. I don't know how much of the game that is. This, however, is the full game. Not only that, we've got both US and EU roms thanks to our anonymous donator. Thanks!

Not much more to add there. Let me know in PM if anyone's interested!

 

Wow! I would love to see that released. Nothing to trade but I appreciate your idea. Was the game completely finished and sent off to Nintendo? Curious as it seems so odd they would cancel a game so close to being ready.

 

Does the Retrode work well for Genesis and SNES prototypes? I know it has some troubles with the n64 prototypes, so I figured id ask. Need to pick one up eventually.

 

I am not into prototypes and also think that the best thing to do with them is dumping them and making them public but I do understand "why" it does not quite always work that way.

For this reason I am not particularly offended by collectors keeping their precious for themselves but I just hope they dump it and make backup of them, even if they are not public, and then entrust them to a few people for safe keeping. Otherwise Rom Rot, house fires or whatever accidents will slowly claim the physical protos until they disappears.

If they have backups then there is a chance that someday they will be released when the time is right.

 

I've used it for Genesis and only had one that didn't work. May have been an issue on my side, though, since it did dump partially and the ROM was smaller than it should have been. I'm more familiar with how to get overdumping to work now so that was probably the problem then. I never have had any SNES protos, I can imagine some issues due to special chips maybe. But it's probably not so many titles that wouldn't work, I'd guess.

Regarding Gauntlet, I don't have any idea if it got through Nintendo, but seeing as this is complete it seems like it would likely have.

 

I think that's something almost all of us agree with hah.

And good to know with the Retrode. Still may have to give it a shot and see how it goes. Its not like I have many cart prototypes nor do I plan on buying many hah.

 

WOW, we should have expected this coming, since a demo of this unreleased game is in a DS download station.

 

I have had many, many issues dumping both SNES and Genesis prototypes with the retrode. Of the 50 or so I've done, I would put the successful dump % at approximately 30%.

 

Ah that's no good

 

Are you sure you're up to date on the firmware?

Would you mind explaining? Again, it would be worth checking firmware, as the most recent release improved N64 dumping (size detection, but still worth checking. Maybe just force max size if updating doesn't work.).

 

Just a comment that someone had said (and it was once listed on the Retrode site, I think). Heck, I'd happily borrow a Retrode to get the two games or so that I have dumped hah.