The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

Guess who started it. A Mod. Heh.

 

Wait, so now you're admitting it's a video? So you have no proof that you owned the real prototype at all, then?

 

Yes, but please answer this damn question, which has been asked numerous times already.

Did you have the actual LO proto running that day?

You claim you debuted LO at CGE2K2, the picture even says so. You have claimed for 9 years that the actal proto was running. Yet these pictures you brag over, pictures taken from YOUR website, which you claim prove an actual LO proto was running, have been shown to have been a fake set-up scenario. Just a video of LO running, and people pretending to play it.

And you've ignored this question when asked point blank, several times already. As you will ignore this no doubt.

At least people here are seeing your selective answers for exactly that. I'm sure some are already choking on your BS too.

And the one that was playing when you set up those piccies no doubt. There is no proof you ever owned this proto. Just rehashed lies after rehashed lies.

Now let's talk about other nasty Dickis tricks. How about one of the Neostores orders. I'll need to check the archives to locate piccies etc (they are out there) but I believe that not only did you sticker a large quantity of items that were ordered, despite being asked for clean items (and you have stated on this board that you never touched product if asked not to, another lie), but you never completed the full order. Some missing NGCDs if memory serves.

It's just a shame the people who really know about all your lies choose not to post up. But fair play to them, 10+ years of crap around you, understandably they've been there done that got the t-shirt and can't be arsed. Trouble is that just aids an opportunist cockroach with an inferiority complex.

 

And guess who perpetuated it? It takes two to tango and I'm not a mod in this thread thank you, it is unmoderated. I never said you were a Nazi, the fact Adolf Hitler was a Nazi is irrelevant here. I only likened you to Adolf through your obviously similar name and your equally foolish behaviour. You're the one who made it about Nazism.

Adolf, are you bipolar or otherwise manic, or experiencing multiple personalities? As a person who is dissociative I know how these things can suck. I only ask because:

One minute you never received Shock Troopers, another minute you did. Which is true?

One minute the game is full of EEPROMS and wires, another minute it looks quite tidy. Which is true?

One minute you want the manual, the next you don't. Which is true?

One minute Dion is not official but all of a sudden official enough to give you an insert and interest? Which is true?

One minute you're citing 2011 laws as relevant, the next you say the 1997 laws are not different. Which is true?

NGF did not have to exist in 1997 for Dion to have rights. Dion could have had the rights as a sole trader and move them or sublet them to his limited company at a later date. A legal professional would know this.

Now that you appear to be listening (for once), have you ever heard the saying there is some truth to every lie? Even if Dion did bullshit you and everyone else there is likely to be some foundation of truth in there somewhere and there could well be enough for him to have not legally scammed anyone. It is called marketing.

It is excatly the reason why I ignore all of the bullshit so I can have an impartial judgement. It is for you to educate me with your stories and verify your facts to sway my decision. Unfortunately for you, your story has more holes than swiss cheese, more twists than a drill bit and sadly no verification. It is for these reasons you have no case and Dion has no case to answer.

Have one clear and consistent story, cut the crap and ignore all this other bullshit about other peoples stories as I couldn't give a fuck about hearsay and if you think a single testimony is worth shit in court you're wrong. The tetsimonies have to be backed up, which is exactly what I have been saying and exactly what you're repeatedly failing to do.

Just tell me your own story as you would to the courts, referring to the same evidence and laws, then I can begin to take you seriously. Until that day...

...This is still the stupidest issue of the year and right or wrong you're still crazy.

 

Yo legit, can we have a second unmoderated thread here please! One for anti-Dakis sentiment, one for you two to tango?

 

haha wheelaa I said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not anti-Adol nor am I pro-Dion.

Going off the evidence presented and the balance of probabilities, I just feel that Dion's story is more likely to be correct.

Adol does have right of appeal though

 

Adol and wheelaa sounds like two whiny crybabies.

I don't know who Dion is nor am I experienced in the Neo Geo scene, but although he might be a scammer he does come off as more mature, and therefore I'll trust his word over someone who holds grudges for 14 years for minor details.

LeGIt, you do resort to sandbox methods when giving Adol such childish names though. Too bad, I agree with you on everything else.

 

Sorry if I missed the question. There are a lot of people all posting questions and replies that the same time, and sometimes questions can get overlooked.

Yes.
Yes, we had Last Odyssey at the CGE show and plenty of people played it.
Yes, we also had video running all days of many different games, including Last Odyssey.

Not my intention to overlook your question.
As I stated above and in other replies, I don't mean to ignore or skip questions. It's just that so many people all reply and ask question at the same time and it's easy to accidentally skip over one person's question. I'm sorry if you felt as though I was avoiding your question. It wasn't my intention.

Photos. Videos. Visits. What's next?
It boils down to everyone having the freedom to believe or not believe if we had any items, arts, prototypes, or distribution and repackaging rights.

People asked for photos, and we provided photos.
People asked for videos, and we provided videos
(not many people provided videos of prototype games in their collection 10 years ago).

Now that we provided videos, some people are still not satisfied.
We'll never be able to please everyone. Not everyone will be able to come and play the game in person, so someone will always have a doubt.

It's like the moon landing.
NASA has tons of photos, videos, testimonies from thousands of employees and the astronauts involved in the Apollo missions... but some conspiracy nuts still doubt the moon landing.

the 5 missing cds?
We sent him $50,000 worth of items. A hundred+ aes cartridges and a thousand+ cds, and he claims that he was shorted 5 cds?? Does this sound like a scam? Do you think it's possible that maybe him or NGF could have made a mistake on counting the cds? We sold the cds to ng.com for $5 each. 5 cds would only be $25. Use your logic. Why short someone $25 worth on a $50,000 order? And why didn't ng.com just inform us that he was short 5 cds?


Why the insults?
Wheela, why do you keep calling me names, slurs, cursing at me, and attacking me?
Have I ever done anything to harm you? Have I ever insulted you?

Can you please be a little more civil? I'm trying my best to answer everyone, but the name calling isn't really the best way to approach the matter or to get me to respond to your questions.
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you (and all) are missing the point where Adol didn't come for have his booklet,
but just to point out that the guy could be a scammer and telling his story.

Regarding that, it's clearly obvs that he doesn't complaint for not having received his booklet yet as disappointed customers but pointing out the question which is : "if you supposed to be the official distributor of the product.. what the fuck is this shit coming without manual?"

now someone mentioned Ferrari
i think it's just like the "official distributor" made a new model of Ferrari mixing parts of existing Ferraris.

A car which don't even know where is Maranello

how do you call that? A legit product?
i call it shit.
oh but it has all ferrari parts ..it's just that missing the position lights but who cares.. the stock cars don't have them too.

doesn't care if you got your entitlement, soon or later

sell that car as official Ferrari.... well you know the answer.
And this is supposed to be an official distributor... who had website encouraging guys pirate game for not paying 1000$ for a regular copy of MS.
:Rock:

i read, i was told Dion start'd his business reselling spare copies of japanese games just to payback his..
and asking SNK permission to do so later,
being SNK, the story should have been gone like " US? where the fuck is that? hey take the carts and give us the money gaijin"

now all the later entitlement court stuff seems to me a later patchwork
in the perfect SNK style...

i'm not defending Adol (he still have a HolyUmbrella pic request pending for me grrr)
but i just simply can't understand why you think he should be crazy or crybaby or such
just because he's french?

his point is perfect clear to me.

and btw Adol is the redhairdo chara from YS, Nihon Flacom
where all this nazi stuff come from?

 

For other people taking photos, that very well may be the case, but I think it doesn't change anything. Will any of those photos tell us any more than the photos we have seen already, i.e. was the game in video form or not? I'd guess no. But you could tell us that, right?

 

Moving on...

About LO then. Why the need to stage those pictures?

And you've ignored the tampered goods point. Selective answers as usual.

The other side of this story is below.

http://replay.web.archive.org/20090203011749/http://www.neostore.com/store/blackbook.html

http://replay.web.archive.org/20010331030451/http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000755.html

 

They weren't tampered goods, they had the official NGF Ditrbutor/Warranty sticker and the NGF Stamp of Authentcity. He claims only 7 cds were missing from an order of 1349 cds. It's possible that someone miscounted.

He also makes a fuss over 3 euro copies of SS2 (neogeo logo) that were not sent with his order. He instead received 3 US(dog tag) copies of SS2 carts in their place. There was no difference in price back then, and he wasn't being charged for the SS2 carts.
The english SS2 carts were a gift. (he even mentions he wasn't charged)

Back then people were still confused as to NGF being an official neogeo distributor, so he didn't understand the usage of the distributor sticker and stamp.






He later complained about inventory notes on the shipping boxes. Back then none of us had any idea that shipping boxes may be collectible to some. We at NGF threw away hundreds of those boxes.

You can see that top box says "KoF2000 - 9" (9 copies)(with english KoF2000 side sticker)
Hard to read the game title below the KoF2000.
I can make out plenty of the titles we sent him. Now the inventory notes are coming in handy.
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they had the official NGF Ditrbutor/Warranty sticker and the NGF Stamp of Authentcity

But he asked for unstickered / unstamped carts, yet didn't receive them. Irrespective of whether you were official or not, you've stated here that you would not sticker /stamp carts if buyers asked you not to, the proviso being said suyers would not have the NGF warranty. He did ask for clean carts, yet you sent stickered / stamped carts?

 

The next order (March,2001) is when he asked for no distributor sticker or authenctication. During that first order it was never mentioned, as it was the very first time he made a mass purchase. It's also when he first started selling neo items (we helped him get started).

(every known copy of the english KoF2000 has the NGF distributor sticker)
(it's incomplete if the NGF-USA sticker is missing)



Distributor apprenticeship
On that second page you linked, he gives the details that he asked for no distributor stickers. He also says "[FONT=Verdana, Arial]Surely SNK would not approve of such behavior from their [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial]official distributor[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial]."[/FONT]

He knew we were the official distributor cause he attempted to become one and was informed by snk that NGF had an exclusive contract. He later become the aes distributor when playmore took over. And we congratulated him for it. We taught him a great deal.
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This has been a real fun read :nod:

I watched the Last Odyssey video quite keenly and also looked at the photo's of the game supposedly being played and noticed something that no-one else here has commented on.

After the first attract video, like every other Neo Geo title we are taken to a ''How to Play'' screen. Now, whilst my Japanese isn't the greatest, it was easily deduced that the game is only operated by use of the A/B and C/D buttons, A for the left flipper and C for the right, in no way, shape or form does it rely on the use of a joystick, yet the two alleged 'players' are both cradling the stick as though it were a normal stick and button combo game which quite clearly as the video shows, it isn't.

Maybe Dion can enlighten us.

 

Why were you all pretending to play a game when you had the actual cart...?

 

It's nothing to do with how 1 of the 3 pics is posed but how the 2 people purportedly playing the game are holding the joystick when the game itself has no joystick input. The pictures are contrived to make it look like video playback is indeed ingame action. As meticulous as you've been documenting certain items it seems that simple things like gameplay mechanics of the carts you allegedly had or sold were somewhat beyond you.

 

I never posed or had my photograph taken and acted as if I was playing the game. That being said, I can't explain why others may have.

But not everyone acted as if they were playing the game. Some people just posed next to the screen.




It was 9 years ago, almost a decade, and people must have been excited to see the game in action for the very first time.
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I don't find it strange that someone would put a console infront of a TV playing a video to give people the illusion that console is playing the game as it draws crowds. It is also not as strange if you consider the video in the photographs was made and sold by NGF so they would then have it to hand. Or, if we loook t it another way, the video could hve been recorded from the game playing that day. Which came first? Either way it doesn't matter.

The only part of the saga I find odd (as no offence I couldn't care if you actually had Last Odyssey or not, besides it looks crap anyway), why bother labelling the cart in the demo pics and if so why use such a shitty torn label for marketing purposes?

 

10 year buzz heard round the world!!
That's exactly what and why we did it. Pure promotion. We had many videos and games being played and shown to draw in the crowd and create a buzz, for NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA, that has now lasted almost 10 years!!! It was genius.

LegGit, that's the magic question.

Torn label, for lost game.
The "torn" label and hand written title was how we wanted the game to look as for promotion. Something of the "lost" game found in secret cave, beneath a ton of files and old manuscripts. Like the findings of the dead sea scrolls or the unfinished portrait of George Washington.








NGF, By Design
Everything NGF has ever said and done, has all been well orchestrated and part of an overall design. Something as simple as a "torn" sticker on an unreleased game still has people talking a decade later.

I remember the first few days after the CGE, so many people were talking about the "torn label."
It was all for marketing and promotion (and it was tremendously successful!!)
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