The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

TonK - As you were posting that trash I was pming some of your more sensible members, in part defending some of your actions but to be blunt a lot of your actions are inexcusable.

You don't like me fine. I'm beginning to dislike you too. Why?

Because you're just as histrionic/narcissitic as Dion. You claim he has mental problems but clearly miss your own.

I don't deny you may have done a lot of good for the Neo Geo community but you sure as shit have done a lot of bad too. Take your unwarranted badmouthing for example or stalking, harassment and intimidation.

You claim to know a lot of things, yet you don't prove it. You claim to have proof, yet you don't disclose it. When you post proof... it only proves that you're wrong and an idiot. So yeah what is really going on?

If you were really interested in getting to the bottom of the issue you would have ended it on the logical closing point and done the reasonable thing a decade ago - not the 27 endings which followed.

Basically, you're clearly full of shit but people don't dare speak out incase they get abused for it.

It was always going to be an uphill struggle preaching to the choir of the almighty TonK, but seriously, the problem was over a decade ago. Shut the fuck up, grow up, drop the issue and move on.

You'll hate me for this now but hopefully in the future we can move past this.

You shouldn't take life too seriously - you'll never get out alive.

 

I posted enough proof over the past 10 years - if you can't find it, not my fault.

Why is it that everyone, including Dion, knows what's going on but you?

There is so much information to be had by doing a search - why are you the only one who can't piece shit together?

You're the one who keeps contesting EVERY. FUCKING. THING. we (NG.com'ers) post.

Facts speak louder than lies - I've done my part, now if you want to discredit everything, that's fine. I can give a fuck less.

Try to prove me wrong - I guarantee you won't.

I think you've totally given up on life and have nothing better to do.

Man the fuck up and quit feeling sorry for yourself.

 

Scroll up, clearly I'm not. And if you had actually paid attention, you'll see I accept Dion did wrongs. Just not every last little thing you claim.

Except you don't have many bloody facts do you and those that exist are inconveniently scattered across the lands.

When you're right you're right. You're as stubborn as a mule and when anything casts a shadow on the web you have have created it is conveniently ignored. I'm not saying Dion is a saint, but you're just as bad as him.

What is the hero without the villain? What is thrill without the chase? You both need each other, without him you're nothing and without you he wouldn't have a buttload of free press. I'm not saying you don't want to help people and I don't doubt that you don't like to see bad things happen to good people either, but you've probably dragged this out as long as you have to put yourself on a pedastal to satisfy your own ego too.

I can't discount you getting money back off scammers, naturally that is a good thing. You just went the wrong way about it so it doesn't make you less of an ass.

Yawn

Man the fuck up and meet Dion?

Just get it over with, put the mess behind you and let the past be the past.

You don't have to like him, but you don't have to stalk, harass or intimidate him either.

Regards,

 

I was away all weekend, and I can't believe how this thread has gotten so convoluted and twisted with so much misinformation.

I'll try to put some of the remaining questions into perspective:

1. SNK-Japan did indeed grant NeoGeoFreak/NGF-USA permission and authorization for repackaging and the NGF corrected inserts (as seen on playmore's web site press release.

2. NGF was NEVER sued by SNK-Japan. It was playmore and snkneogeousa (formerly known as Electronics Entertainment Internation) that alleged we didn't have the rights for repackaging. But it was proven in court that NGF did indeed have the rights, and playmore offered Chris and myself a settlement and issued the press release verifying the NGF corrected inserts are authorized.

3. NGF still retains the rights for repackaging ALL neogeo games from 1990-2001.
Games not included on the playmore press release, such as Bust-a-Move, Zupapa, etc... are due to human error.
www.NeoGeoFreak.com will soon include a update with the full list of games that are licensed and by permission from snk-japan.

4. That "assault" photo was staged. (in no other photo at the cge am I wearing a tank top). For that photo, I removed me shirt and we posed for the camera. Many years later, even the photographer Mikhail/kiselgof distorted the truth and starting claiming he was a witness and just happend to be at the right place at the right time. For clarity... the photo was staged.

5. I did speak with mike/tonk/skymathematics via telephone. I told him that chris sold the Last Odyssey flash rom proto cartridge, but chris has the game backed up on rom image files. So... Yes, we do have Last Odyssey. That is why I said visitors can come to Colorado to play it. (If needed, the game can also be played at my house in Las Vegas)

6. NGF provided photos to show the "lost" game, Last Odyssey, This was big news at the time, and most people had never heard of the title. We later provided a full 10 minute video of the game in action (the one everyone has now seen)

7. The person who purchased the Last Odyssey flash cartridge plans to do a release. He has now asked to do the release together with NGF to maximize sales (and to make it easier to locate the needed sac carts, do conversions, get artwork, etc...). It is something we are considering. (nothing has been finalized)

8. KoF2000 authentication program is real and exists. I'll add photos today.

9. Yes, we do have a working alpha proto of Neo Pool Master. This has also been saved and backed up as a rom file.
It works fine with all versions of neorage. (I guess I'll have to show some photos)

10. Yes, a lot of the extra "talk" is bravado and done for more excitement. I'm not trying to get into a physical confrontation and/or fight with someone over video games. (but it does work to keep everyone's blood pumping and keep things interesting)(it's just for fun)

11. Believe it or not, I have no problem with mike/tonk, or anyone else for that matter. Him and I have known each other for over 12 years. All in all, that can be seen as a long standing friendship, with some arguments here and there.

I don't mind the debates and the arguments, but I feel things should stay classy and not involve insults or other personal information. But people need to learn when to accept proven facts and not twist things around. (example: playmore's press release states NGF inserts are authorized and done with the permission of snk-japan. That is done and final. No further arguments are needed.)


It doesn't get any better than this quote from Winston Churchill:


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Read Dion's post.

You know how fucking stupid you look right now?

 

I just did and it doesn't make me look stupid - it just shows I'm right about the pair of you.

Dion will never back down, even though my own seach found him to be wrong on some issues. You will never back down either, despite finding information to show otherwise.

It's like the unstoppable force vs the immovable object. Both can be right and wrong on some points, but neither are going to accept or do anything about it.

The only reason Dion is here is because he followed you. Now it is not your fault if you liked to come here, but also ASSEMbler never asked for this mess either. The only reason I got involved is because your lot started trolling here and I wanted to understand the situation, then I got trolled too.

Cant you just leave your problems at the door whilst you are here and badmouth each other everywhere else?

I see you as both being welcome, but this bickering... eugh. Talk about the Neo Geo, talk about whatever. Just keep your problems where they belong.

 

It's over, legit. Why insist on dragging it out? It's been over and done with long ago, but due to your inflated ego you just can't let it go. No apologies, no excuses. Just stop posting about this. You'll see how quickly this resolves. You're no one's crusader.


EDIT: This was typed as Dion made his post. Hopefully now you'll get it.

 

Well, I'll tell you this.

You and Winston aren't the only "puff men" on the block.

This cat used to get KFC on Easter... Fucking Greek scumbag!

I can also confirm one thing that I may have been wrong on - Chris does indeed own an early build of Neo PoolMaster. I have no idea of any history of the game, but I have (1/27/12) photo evidence which I told Dion I would keep private - I don't know if the game is authentic or not.

Last Odyssey still edludes me, and until Dion sends me a text of anything new, I'm gonna chalk it up to hype and fabrication.

Dion also owes money to one of my good friends - I hope he does the right thing and gives it back to him.

 

I´ll have to compare shots of Neo Pool Masters against every Pool game ever coded on 68k to accept it.

This game simple doesn´t fit inside the neo geo history as we know it.

 

Tonk - I'm pleased to see that you're still talking to Dion in private, and that you're happy to admit if there is a point on which you weren't right... or indeed, that Dion does actually speak the truth on occasion! lol. Whilst your outburst when Dion arrived may have got you demoted (as you yourself admit), I'm sure that works as a plus for you around here. So thanks for being man enough to admit that, and for sharing the info!

Anyway, I notice you've posted 3 or 4 times since I asked you a question, but not answered it. What should I take that to mean? That you don't know anything about the other cases? That everyone in the NG community focused on bashing Dion with his case, and didn't pay attention to the others? Bit sad if that's the case. Bash all the scammers equally! ;-) lol

Well OK, let's open the question up to everyone.

What did Aruze, Dax Technology, Arcade-Infinity and Worldwide Video Entertainment do wrong to make Playmore take action against them? And what was the outcome of their cases?

 

I like that. It shows you have a good sense of humor.
Keep in mind that games such as Bust-a-Move, Panic Bomber, Mr.Do, Capcom vs. SNK, Bomberman, Prehistoric Isle, Strikers 1945, and other titles have all been crossed over and look similar on other platforms as well.


Trackball games....
Irritating Maze and Poolmaster have a strange relationship to the neogeo library. These were not originally developed for the aes/mvs hardware, but for the trackball cabinet. So the history on these titles can seem a bit strange to the casual neogeo fan.

I'll start a new thread so we can discuss the neo trackball and it's planned games. I also elaborated about the proposed and supposed "6 more titles" planned for the trackball cabinet (possibly just vaporware). I mention these on the last few pages of the "lets talk prototypes" thread.
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Ooh, I'd like that!

OK, so we're putting aside the legal stuff, the apparent scamming, the label thing, the fact that Dion can't run a fancy dress shop (oh, you meant CUSTOMER service ). What are we left with? Hmm.....

We're left with a guy on a huge ego trip who claims to have something but won't show people. We're left with people who get annoyed by this, feed his ego with insults and constant bickering about it. Basically, if you put one man and a mob together, we're left with a bunch of school children.

Hmm, as you were a moderator here, I would have thought you'd have known better than that. Maybe you weren't here THAT long.

I remember Legit being a member here back in the old days of Roarvgm and the old old board (easyboards?). He was just a member, like any of us. After several years as a standard member, he was promoted to moderator, and a well respected one. We're talking years ago. He had an accident and as such, didn't get online much. He wasn't on the forum for a while, so he was demoted.

I spoke to him several times and eventually persuaded him to come back. He was happy to be here as a member and contribute. After some time, I was speaking to Kev and mentioned in passing when Legit was a mod. He seemed to think it was a good idea to bring him back as one! I don't think it was until some time after he was reinstated that he happened to make scene releases and large donations to the website. So how did he buy his way onto the site, exactly? He was just a member like any of us and, back before his accident, he was a tight bastard and didn't share anything with anyone! lol


Oh, Dion - you're here! Can you shed any light on what happened to the other people I mentioned, who Playmore also took action against?

 

Will do.

I'll field this for you.
Playmore vs. Aruze over some copyrights that Aruze was still using for their pachinko machines after Aruze sold the snk IPs to playmore. Aruze won their case and reached a settlement with playmore. (the pachinmo machines that were released were an ongoing deal before the sale of the snk name and ips to plamore, so those machines were grandfathered into Aruze's copyright).

Arcade Infinity, DAX, and World-Wide video were taken to court for alleged charges of copyright infringement and counterfeit mvs cartridges. All parties reached settlements.

The mvs cartridges in question were KoF2001.
The cartridges looked to be legit/official. All games were purchased from outside sources, not directly from playmore. Arcade Infinity, Dax, and World-Wide Video decided to not bother with any more mvs sales, since many counterfeits are being sold direct from distributors in japan and china, most of which were allegedly sold directly by snk-japan through backdoor sales (for tax benefits).

Aruze sells SNK because....
snk-japan was under investigation for alleged tax evasion by japanese authorities. Since Aruze is a big gaming (gambling) manufacturer of video poker, video slots, and pachinko machines, they had no choice but to sell of their SNK subsidiary and not be associated with tax evasion or other illegal activities.
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I'm unsure about Aruze, I believe it had something to with using SNKP's characters in another game or something.

Arcade Infinity was accused of making money off of bootleg MVS carts, as was WWV. Dax, I have no idea.

As for the outcome of the cases, no idea.

 

Cheers guys! Hmm, interesting.

Legit was the only one who said he had a big tool... I make no such claim! ;-)

 

Alas I don't do devil's advocate... people often run off their mouth and write cheques their body can't cash but as Stefan will tell you back in the day I was the devil incarnate.

If you've seen Team America you'd know what I mean when I say we're just a bunch of dicks. A dick can be a good friend to have when you're in a tight spot or your worst enemy. We have probably screwed over a couple of pussies in one way or another so neither of us are innocent, but we probably slapped a couple of arseholes too. The problem is we can't always agree on who is the arsehole and when dicks swordfight... its not pretty. A threeway swordfight helps to soften the blows.

If it sounds like I wanted your opinion I'd give it it you, it's only because I've been down that path and know where it leads and if people cannot agree they should be made to, but by who? The thing is I learned from my mistakes a long time ago and I hope at some point you two will too, but if it seems like I'm raging all of the time it is only because my matter of fact attitude is coupled with apathy.

One of the things you'll need to understand though is everything has a balance - there will always be a good and bad guy. The catch is, things arn't in equal amounts at all times and sometimes there is a complete role reversal. It is also possible one can be equally good and bad in the extreme with a unity of opposites. As such the good guy can be bad too. The problem is you may lack the ability to see the situation from a stance other than your own. You need to be mindful of such things in your dealings with each other.

We'll never agree to disagree... but if we're going to be a dick about issues we can at least use a condom i.e. be civil about it. To be fair the trolling aka stalking, harassment and intimidation is the only thing I ever had a major problem with.

 

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Nobody cares.

So, I broke the forum rules?

Was that what you were trying to go for?

Oh well - thems the breaks.

Anything else you want to talk about?

You should feel privileged I'm even talking to you.

 

I do not feel privileged in any shape or form whatsoever. Look how small you were when you first came here? Nothing changed. With or without Dion or the bullshit you're no more special than anyone else. One day you'll realise that.

I've been more badass than you can possibly imagine. I've nearly died so many times its unreal and yet I always get back up. I've experienced things that would have broken any other man yet I keep on moving.

You may be slightly above average and think your natural ability will allow you to coast through life but you're wrong. There is always room for improvement and you'll go further if you work at it.

I appreciate your contribution towards ghostflop and helping to ruin the market for a bootlegger, but the thing with your releases is there is a lot of I, I and I and not a lot of we, we, we. There is no I in team. I'm not saying you don't want to be helpful, it just seems like you take most of the credit for doing the least amount of work - that's fucked up IMO. Credit where credit is due, not where it isn't.

If you are unable or unwilling to see the problem then I am unable to help you. Perhaps one day you will do some introspection and help yourself but in the meantime there are other people willing to listen to reason, or if they got a problem they sort it without being such a dick about it.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Rest assured you're coming there with me... even if you are just an apprentice

Here's the deal: I'm closing the unmoderated thread.

You, Dion and your sheep are welcome to stay here.

If you stay here, you abide by the forum rules.

Feel free to mingle and talk about whatever.

Feel free to have healthy debate or trade.

However if the forum rules are broken, I'm just going to drop you and your sheep like a bad habbit. No more chances.

The ball is in your court.