The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

I believe Kevin banned/demodded me for posting our AIM conversation.

Dion requested pictures of me and I asked him if he liked men or something to that extent - I can look it up, but it was nowhere near a homophobic remark.

Upon being demodded for no reason other than posting our AIM conversation or the non-homophobic remark to Dion - I did go about a small profanity filled rampage.

If the mods want me to leave, I'll pack my shit and never come back - they can IP ban me for all I care.

There's a lot of great members here, if they don't want me here either, I'm ghost.

 

Totally agree.

 

As I recall (and if I'm wrong, then I apologize - I'm not one to falsely accuse someone of something they didn't do), you were demoted because your conduct was not conducive to that expected of a moderator. You then continued to swear at Kevin and other members, so were banned.

LOL, no arguments from me there! Dion's requests for man pics, and his rather disturbing collection of photos of Chris topless, are somewhat alarming! :lol:

Lol, if that's what you wanna call it! ;-)

As I've said before, I respect you as a fellow video game collector, and bow to your superior knowledge and collection in the Neo Geo domain (mine is, quite frankly, pathetic!). I assure you I have no hidden agenda with you. What I have issue with is this constant, petty squabbling that's almost turned into some kind of turf war between the two forums. Something that I don't think any of us wants. As a member who is respected on both forums, it's a shame that you don't want to help calm the situation.

My point was that you're kinda the pot calling the kettle black in that particular instance, dude. Dion hasn't proved he has the game, true. Likewise, you haven't proven that he doesn't, though. Why not go see Dion, see if he has the game. If he doesn't, he doesn't even get to bitch slap you, and you FINALLY have proof that he doesn't have it. And he didn't say anything about you not slapping him back! lol.

I notice you chose to ignore the fact that, indeed, the SNK website DID state that NGF were allowed to sell games with English corrected inserts, and don't want to be the big man and apologize to me for saying I was wrong on that count. No biggie to me, I mean... I would have respected you all the more had you done that, but whatever. Just like Dion showing you a video of the game, I can't make you do that ;-)

As for the homophobic comment thing, am I perhaps thinking of Adol? I know that someone who was close to the whole fiasco kicked off, I just can't remember who exactly. Anyway, if it wasn't you - I am indeed truly sorry for saying it is! I don't want to go speading shit about you that isn't true!

 

No, I was immediately called out for making a homophobic comment - it was me, but the homophobic comment didn't include any derogatory slanderous words.

It was probably the most innocent comment, if anyone was offended, I apologize.

But I don't see it offending a homosexual.

Again, I just want to ask you - would the 10 year old video and picture of flash cart be enough evidence for you to purchase that game today?

 

I don't know about him but If it was from the same seller who took the pictures and posted the video I'd take them gamble, but then again I have been scammed several times. Rarely in the same way twice though. I'd drop a grand from the hand sure and see what happens, but with the crazy Neo Geo prices that probably wouldn''t even get me a decent retail cart, let alone something special.

Also, if you get the chance, I appear to have gone unnoticed due to your retro rebuttals http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=559911&postcount=704

Regards,

 

Oh sorry, forgot about that part.

Well, if I were in the unlikely position to be able to afford a Neo Geo game, then no, I would not accept the video as proof of owning the game were I to purchase it.

However, I don't believe Dion is trying to sell the game - so what's the problem?

If he offered you the opportunity to go and see it, then I am sure he would be equally as accomodating were I to insist that I must inspect the game in person, were I to consider purchasing it. If he refused, then I would simply decline to purchase the game.

Pretty simple, no?

If someone else were to come along and say "well he's CLAIMED to have the game but never shown proof!" then yes, I might ask him to send a photograph of the product before I spent my hard earned money flying over there to see him. Again, if he refused, I would not be interested.

Of course, if he refused to take a photograph with his user name in it, then he wouldn't be allowed to sell on the forum - so once again, not an issue! ;-)

I would get tired of people replying to his posts saying the same shit over and over again. Say it once, then allow me, the buyer, to decide whether to risk giving someone accused of being a scammer hundreds of dollars. If I were to go ahead with the transaction and scammed too, then I would naturally expect you to say I told you so!

Hey Tonk, remember how I was right about SNK stating on their site that they authorized NGF to sell games with English corrected inserts, and proof was provided? You're not going to admit you were wrong on that count, are you?

 

Like I said, I'm not taking the time to go in and dissect that post.

If there are any questions / concerns you want me to answer - I don't hold my answers hostage for any reason.

I may go in there later and try to make some rebuttals, but once I get to the point of repeating myself, I stop.

 

First off - I know for a fact that NGF isn't allowed to sell games with reprinted inserts, nor did Playmore allow them. Until I present proof to back this up, yes I am wrong.

Also, regarding Last Odyssey.

I honor my bets - when I made the offer for Chris or Dion to provide a simple shred of evidence that the game existed, I would have honored it.

Yes, it's Dion's choice if he wants to deny any requests.

He was called out by Yakumo - and failed to do anything.

It's strange, don't you agree?

 

No worries. If you know of anyone cabaple of answering them and willing to speak on your behalf instead I'd appreciate it.

The SNK Playmore press release said he did. I already stated the titles he was unauthorised to freak, however it is part and parcel with the above matter.

Dion doesn't need to accept any challenge just as you have not accepted Dion's. I'd be quite content to fly out to meet Dion, see what the story is and take a slap off him on your behalf though but it I don't even have a passport, let alone the funds to do so.

Oh and

 

Well, how do you explain the statement on their website? Actually, I believe all the documents still remained there until last year - maybe they got pissed off that we were giving them so much traffic! ;-)

As I've said before, I too was wary of Dion when he showed up here. However, he came here without attitude (other than the inflated ego!) and never lost his rag with you lot (no offence meant there!) when you ridiculed him. Also, he didn't try to sell anything - merely offer his knowledge and discuss Neo Geo. As far as fresh starts go, I don't think Dion did anything wrong to be accepted in the community. Now, I'm not saying we should trust him, but we can at least approach him with an open mind.

As for the other chap, I'm afraid I can't comment - I don't know what he did wrong in the first place, and I don't remember him being here, let alone being banned.

That said, hopefully to show where I stand, the answer to your question is that I can see both sides.

You want a video, Dion won't comply for years. Frustrating for you.

Dion has an item he wants to hoard, won't prove he has it, but gets pestered to do so. Frustrating for him, and I can appreciate him not wanting to be accomodating when people are going to taunt and abuse him.

Dion finally agrees to making a video - sounds great!

Yakumo then lays down ground rules such as a time limit, specifics about what should be in the video - I can see where Yakumo is coming from, but that would piss me off, too.

Dion changes his mind - OK, I see that's frustrating to everyone, and looks suspicious, yes. Maybe he was just playing. Or maybe he got pissed off with all the demands. Who knows?

I mean, you say that you have exciting news, but you won't tell us what it is. We have to be patient, all will be revealed in good time. Are you not getting hounded by people asking what it is? Doesn't that get annoying? And, again - how is that any different? Dion doesn't want to prove he has a game, you don't want to tell us what your news is.

Just as you'll use the phrase good things come to those who wait, I can appreciate how Dion might have got pissed off when Yakumo demanded that he make a video within a set period of time.

So to answer your question in brief - yes, I see where you're coming from, it could be construed as suspicious. However, I also appreciate that Dion is probably fed up with all the fucking petty bickering he's had - not just over the past few weeks, but for what, nearly 10 years now?

OK, he might have ripped some people off or sold them a product of a poor standard. That's their issue. Sorry to be harsh, but such matters should have been dealt with years ago via the proper channels. Bitching about it on the Internet is not the proper channel. Do what SNK did - take legal action. Small claims court, perhaps?

 

Did he?

All I recall reading is him saying he wouldn't make a video he was planning after Yakumo laid down his ground rules.

Either he got pissy, or Yakumo provided a great excuse for more tantalising BS.

 

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=559725&postcount=670

 

Thank you. That was posted after Yakumo's conditions which where three days ago in the proto thread (post 80). All we saw then was Dion's pissy reply (post 83).

Of course the pm may have been prior to that, I wouldn't know that of course. Unless Retro was privy to it, his time line in terms of available info is incorrect, and the first people on the forum heard of a new video was when we were told a 'planned' one was not now coming. Hehe.

Edit - Tonk, I'm sure I read a while back that for another of the NGF 'videos' that someone had actually tracked down an original copy of the footage from a dev (ie not recorded by NGF at all), as well as numerous other inconsistencies with other supposed NGF footage. Ring any bells?

 

Go look at the quote in Yakumo's post!!

OK, maybe it's not an agreement, but he didn't say fuck off, did he?

OK, to Tonk.....

So, let's see:

- I wouldn't expect a moderator to call a user a "fucking liar", regardless of what he thought of him.

- You insinuated that Dion was gay for wanting photos of you, even if you were careful to avoid actually saying it. Again, unprofessional behaviour for a moderator.

- Kevin told you he was disappointed in your behaviour, especially for that comment but also for breaking the rules you were here to uphold (namely flaming in the correct places), and could no longer trust you as a moderator.

- You then said you "hope he fucks you in the ass, faggot" to another user. Again, homophobic comments that are unacceptable from any user. And, I am sure, any gay person would find offensive, contrary to what you just told me.

- You then called Kevin a "fucking cunt" and ASKED him to remove your account. You actually asked for the ban, both by continuing with your behaviour and that!

- You then claimed no gay slur was made until after he demoted you - this is incorrect. Whilst you didn't spell it out, you insinuated such.

- You then stated it's his "last chance to make this right" - what is that, a threat?!

- You also stated that Kevin demoted you "for no fucking reason" - as I've shown, he had good reason - your behaviour was unprofessional and biased - something that a moderator should try not to be.

I'm sorry, Tonk. I don't have a hidden agenda with you, but you seem to have a warped memory of what actually happened. There it is in black and white for you... or whatever god awful colour scheme this default theme uses! ;-)

 

The PM and my reposting of it came 2 days after Dion's pissy reply.

retro did not have any prior knowledge of the pm, I did post in the moderator forum then here though. I can only assume retro read my posts as well as the rest of the thread quite thoroughly and spotted it Maybe I should repost it into the protos thread?

EDIT: Fuck retro that was a big ass post you dropped when I was in the middle of replying to wheelaa! I have to quote him now -_-

 

Lol, sorry!

OK, I only read Yakumo's post as the start of this - either Legit linked me to it or I saw it linked on NG, I can't remember.

In his post, he quoted Dion saying:

Now, if I misunderstood what he said, I'm sorry.... but isn't he basically saying he would make a new video?

Oh, one more thing I missed from the Tonk thing - your suggestion that Kevin banned you for posting your conversation doesn't seem correct, as he posted a reasonable reply stating that he doesn't deny saying those things. He also left the screenshot - it's still there today.

 

That's Dion speak for 'I have the capacity to provide a video', ie have game, have camera. Not I will.

Read the rest of his post, it's clear he wasn't planning on making one.
We already shown photos of the proto boards and provided a full length video. There is nothing else that we will do at this point in time.
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=558804&postcount=73

Then his reply to Yakumo's request.
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=558929&postcount=83
Suddenly he was planning a video. Haha.
As for your demand of the new video to include chris or myself playing the game.... you'll now be glad to know that we will no longer be supplying a new video of Last Odyssey for anyone.
(emphasis added)
Last Odyssey video is OFF THE TABLE.
(No emphasis added)
We're quibbling like babies. NGF must be loving this.

Those tonk quotes though....messed up
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=510698&postcount=555

 

Lol, yeah probably. I mean, in anyone's book, CAN does not equal WILL! ;-)

Le sigh! My point exactly! What's the point? It just fuels his ego trip. Sadly, the members here at AG see that, whilst those at NG just fall right into it. Oh well!

 

But then it all comes back to my main gripe*, which some share and others don't. Which is entirely as it should be!

*That he is lying to us all, treating us like morons, which I find disgusting as there will be people here that buy into his chuff.

Ah well, been fun, and a lot more civilised now.

 

Yeah, that pretty much sums up what I said earlier.

Being demodded over that post is just plain bullshit - that's probably the least worst thing any mod has done to be demodded, ever.

Someone can't trust me because I said "oh yeah"?

Pretty lame.

I apologized for the little rampage I went on after, which I take full responsibility for. I was upset over the fact that I was demodded for nothing.

Does that first post offend you?

It does seem like this site uses selective moderation.

Really?