The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

Therein lies my point further, though....

He came here to talk, discuss Neo Geo. Not to sell, scam, rip people off, or any such thing. Dion has always been civil on this forum.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

1. If someone got ripped off by Dion, I'm sorry... but you've gone about it the wrong way. Deal with it immediately in the correct way - small claims court. Bitching about it on the Internet isn't going to help... especially 10 fucking years later!

2. If someone commits a crime, goes to prison, does their time, do you still persecute them when they come out? Or do you give them the benefit of the doubt that they're reformed?

Dion got sued - fact. I believe he lost stock. So in a way, he did his time. The legal proceedings lasted a year or so - that in itself must be quite an ordeal. To come out of that smiling takes a big man. OK, sure - maybe it takes a big ego - I'm not going to deny he has that, but good on him for coming out of it.

We have ALL been ripped off at one point or another - dodgy sellers on eBay, crooked buyers who make fake PayPal claims, ex developers selling discs that arrive damaged then disappear - whatever it is, it sucks, yeah. Still, we all took the punch on the chin, sucked it up, and got on with our lives.

Bitching about the same thing for TEN FUCKING YEARS is childish and downright pathetic.

Not having a go at you, dude - you know I have respect for you, but it's just the petty attitude of a few over at NG. And, like I said, the actions of a few affect the reputation of the whole community, sadly.

I used to be proud to say I was a Neo Geo owner, and part of that community. I was happy to say I helped some people out over there. Nowadays, it's more of a quiet whisper that I'm part of them, in case my fellow AG members decide to turn on me! I feel ashamed of the actions of those few. And in some cases, it's fucking unforgivable. Did you see how Legit was treated over his disability over there?

Well, that's fucking hypocritical, as we're about to see...

That was at least the third reference to fucking his mother, btw.

I accept that "yo momma" jokes are commonplace amongst peers, but I feel they're a bit strong with a stranger.

However, I don't think disability jokes are funny at all, especially when used in a derogatory manner, as was the case here. I know Legit explained that he had an accident on a bike, but I can't remember whether that was before or after all this - probably before. So cdamn is also making assumptions about what his disability is, exactly - and then making jokes about it.

I appreciate that Shawn prefers a more relaxed moderation stance, but that really is out of order, and I'm disgusted that he didn't step in at that point. The newcomer info actually states that flaming should be kept to the War Room. That wasn't in there.

Sure, Legit may not have been a saint, but I don't feel that he was bringing up his disability for sympathy at all. You know yourself, that's just the way he is - a matter-of-fact, straight to the point sort of person. Someone asked him if he was a chav, he replied if by chav you mean autistic, then yes. And they attacked him for it. Not on. In fact, I would say that explaining he has autism would be a way of saying "look guys, this is just the way I am... not meaning to offend but I'm blunt because I'm a bit fucked up. Sorry if I did rile anyone up".

Again, it was just the behaviour of a few, but Shawn didn't stop it, the moderators didn't stop it... and hence, it reflects badly on the whole site.

 

Since you're digging around the forum today, find a topic Dion started or responded to without promoting NGF or what he did in the past.

Say I ripped you off, 10 years ago, for $800.

I went through the same shit Dion did.

I disappeared for some years, nobody heard from me, then I surfaced again and started posting here.

Would you sit back and make no mention of the fact that I ripped you off?

 

There is mentioning it and then there is stalking, harassment and intimidation. NG are way past mentioning it.

 

I'm well aware of Dion's past exploits - I've been a member of NG since 2001. I just don't share the same childish mentality that some of you do.

As I have said before on here, I'm not condoning Dion's past exploits. I do believe that some of them, if true, were quite deplorable.

However, as I have also said just now, people should be allowed a second chance.

OK, say you ripped me off for $800 10 years ago.

You would have had letters from me, by registered post, stating that our transaction was unsatisfactory for whatever reason. If you did not reply to that in a timely and satisfactory manner, you would have had contact from the small claims court.

Yes, I would have posted on the forum you frequent stating that I had no resolution from you and was taking legal action. No, I would not have gone on whining like a child about it. Nor would I have sworn at you. Sure, I might have made sure I got my point across, but it would be in much the same manner as this discussion. OK, I've sworn a little in this, but not AT anyone, that I recall. Have I not handled myself in a calm, professional manner?

I tell you what else I wouldn't have done. I wouldn't have had a shit fit like a crying baby and ripped the label that I was unsatisfied with off the product I purchased, then demanded my money back for said product. I do believe that's what the Adol brothers did. And, to be honest, I'm not surprised Dion didn't take the game back and offer a full refund!

Anyway, to answer your question:

Had I taken appropriate legal action 10 years against you and been unsuccessful, I might bring it up.

Had I not taken any action other than to whine on the Internet 10 years ago, then again, I might bring it up.

I would look at the situation, though.

Are you trying to sell again? Then damn right I would.

Are you just trying to start a conversation? Then I think I would post something stating FACT (and only fact) about your previous exploits.

I might say something along the lines of:

Please, proceed with caution if you deal with this guy.

He ripped a load of people off, myself included.
He has a huge ego.
He makes unfounded statements, about items he has or had.
He was sued by SNK.

If you replied negatively, or ignored me, I might say you have some nerve to show up and ignore me.

I would tell everyone that, if they choose to believe or do a deal with you, don't say I didn't warn ya!

And, honestly, I'd leave it at that.

To be honest, if others chimed in and it was a new forum, I might say - hey guys, let's leave it at that.

Because, as I've said, we've all had deals go tits up like that. We take the punch and move on.

Ask Legit what he'd do if donnyK showed up again - I bet he wouldn't cause a huge fuss. And he ripped him off for nearly $800.

*EDIT*

As for your question, no I wasn't offended by that, as I'm not gay... but I could see that someone might be insulted. It wasn't just that, but your attitude in general as I said. Don't ignore that Kev quoted the no flaming rule, and the unmoderated thread for such comments. You called Dion a "fucking liar". I wouldn't want a moderator on my forum using such language EVER against a user. OK, you have a gripe with him. Save such language for private conversation, or don't do it at all. You're supposed to be impartial if you're a moderator. You have a position of respect and authority - you should act it at all times. If you went to Buckingham Palace and did the childish making faces etc. at the guards and a guard said "fuck off you prick", would you expect him to still have a job? Or indeed, a shop worker in your local supermarket. You get written up for using such language to the public - same thing happened to you, dude.

I said back then, you were a regular on both forums, you knew that there was a bit of rivalry between the two previously when you accepted the "job". Surely as moderator of the Neo Geo forum here, part of your job was to keep the peace if things kicked off - not instigate it?

 

Just as a FYI, DonnyK didn't rip me off - shit happens. I was annoyed at first but now I've accepted that the money, the things I sold at a loss quickly to get the money and the disc itself are a total loss. The issue wasn't a problem with DonnyK so much but with UPS/USPS. If he sorts himself out he is welcome back here for further trades. FYI my message to DonnyK has been typo corrected since the original transmission.

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Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:56:15 AM
Subject: Re: Geist

Hello there

When I last wrote to you I had no response from you for around 2 weeks. Now I have had no response from you for 2 months!

As I understand the situation you have gone ahead with your move – I hope you have settled in, had good luck jobhunting and all is well.

Now the ‘craziness’ is out of the way I hope you would have to time to respond to me, or to at least keep me in the loop.

It is my understanding that at present UPS took the disc to process the insurance claim and they returned it to the point of origin – the catch being the point of origin is San Francisco and there is no chance of you travelling however many miles it is to get there any time soon, especially not for paperwork.

Now herein lies my problem: I’m out hundreds of dollars on the face value, as I have no disc nor money, plus I’m at a loss of equal of greater funds due to quick sale, the latter part not being your problem.

What is your problem is the disc did not arrive as described, which may be partly your fault for the packing, or UPS fault for mishandling the item. What this should mean is that as the problems were not my fault, I should not be out of pocket, especially if I am to quote you from 19 February 2011 00:25: “Shipped it UPS and insured it for way over the amount so if it gets lost we all get our money back.”

Now I understand the disc has weirdness, especially seeing as the monkfish disc is equally weird. What I cannot accept is that due to damage and/or description we are unable to access and attempt to reverse engineer the weirdness. I am sure you thought you did was best by the package, but evidently as the disc still does not function as described the packaging was not good enough.

I don’t know how many ways nor to how many people I can say it: I don’t believe you are a bad person, but we are in a bad situation which has then been handled badly too – I have even gone as far as to ban a member who was bad mouthing you and tried to correct them (I’m sure you saw this), but people will think what they want to think and your silence on this issue is not helpful.

It should be understandable due to my loss I would want some form of compensation and rightly so. As previously stated, Katana GD-R is sexy but when it is FUBAR it is not $700+ sexy. If you could see to it that the UPS claim was completed, or the damaged disc was sent to me with some form of additional compensation I would be grateful as it beats the fuckall to I’ve got to show for my troubles at present. To be honest I’d be grateful if you contact me at all, even if it is just to bullshit me so that I know you are listening.

I’d like to see you return to the forums, re-establish your trust and sell the remainder of your items – in part to get the content released, in part to help your financial situation (maybe get yourself another tattoo or motorcycle parts with the money) but if you continue with the ostrich syndrome of burying your head in the sand that isn’t likely to happen. Don’t get me wrong you have done the Sega fans some justice by even releasing GD-R from time to time and for that the community shall be eternally grateful, it is just a shame these problems have occurred, especially when you may still have so much yet to give and receive (not that you have to of course).

[redacted due to privacy issues]

Anyhow,

I look forwards to the day when you contact me as it would be nice to not be the third party to my own purchase and receive some communication from you directly.

I hope the issue can be resolved, if it is it may take time for the trust to be restored, however if you take the comments with regards to packaging and communication (or lack of) on board I do not foresee any problems in the long term.

Regards,

 

This should just be called the Unmoderated Dion thread. How little any of this has to specially do with NeoGeo anymore.

 

That's what makes us different.

So if I look around this site, I'll find NO INSTANCE of any moderator calling someone an asshole or whatever?

If foul language was not allowed, my mistake and I deserved to be demodded. But I find it hard to believe that no other mod here has never said something along those lines.

And all that other stuff you posted above... a simple yes or no would suffice. The answer was yes, you would bring it up. As I stated, we do things differently.

Now if you have any other questions about some other stuff, lmk.

 

No idea. I believe other mods have been reprimanded, even demoted. You'd know better than me what goes on in the moderator forum.

No it wouldn't, because that's not my answer. My answer was that I might have brought it up, yes, but not in the manner that you all have - persistently chewing on it like a dog with a bone.

Actually, yes!

Kinda on topic, but bringing it away from Dion....

Do you know what the other companies did wrong exactly? And what happened to them?

- Aruze
- Dax Technology
- Arcade-Infinity
- Worldwide Video Entertainment

Have I missed anyone out? I'm pretty sure I remember Dax getting an injunction too - something about copied games, or copying devices?

 

I called Adol an idiot due in part to his/their never ending, ever changing story and stubborness despite being wrong. I stand by it for the time being but the thing with intelligent discussion is that opinions can change. Whether ASSEMbler will stand by me on that, I don't know.

a) yes
b) There is mentioning it and then there is stalking, harassment and intimidation. NG are way past mentioning it.

 

K

Get used to it.

I've gotten many people their money back by using all of the mentioned terms.

It works.

I usually don't quit until I get my way. Selfish, but again, it works.

Do a search on NG.com about the numerous sour deals that I fixed by threatening, harassing and stalking people.

And many people have questioned my methods, but I get shit done, which they will confirm.

 

Adol was right in his complain. He got shafted big time with a conversion thinking it was the real deal. He just failed to articulate it well, since english is not his native language.

and yes, no easy time for scammers. Stealing people hard earned money is no joke.

 

He was right to complain.... but he tore the label off in a fit of rage before sending the cart back. Dion then pointed out that it was damaged by Adol, and offered him a refund less costs for the label.

OK, his costs may have been extortionate, but that's his right... just like major online stores charge a stupid restocking fee at a fixed percentage. It's more hassle to check a $300 TV than it is a $3,000 ring and put it back on the shelf, but if they charge 10% restocking fee, that TV is costing you $30 whereas the ring is costing you $300.

Adol then bitched about how Dion refused to refund him - FALSE. He also neglected to mention that he'd torn the label off the card, which he eventually admitted to me. Of course he shouldn't get a 100% refund, regardless of whether it was the product he wanted or not.

Return the product in the condition in which it was received - standard terms you'll find any retailer using.

I went to a major high street electronics retailer with my friend recently, to return her Christmas presents. We had the receipts, but her Mum had written Merry Christmas baby on the box. They refused to accept it. Shit happens.

 

It was a laser printed label. Dion made a stink about it in order to not refund Adol.

 

I know it was a laser label. Any normal person would send it back and request a refund.

Adol tore the label off. Naturally, Dion refused to take it back without a penalty. Adol refused his terms, so didn't get a refund.

Had he left the label intact, he could have sent it back. Or, at the very least, sold it on to someone who was happy to accept a repro.

*EDIT* here's something from Adol (note the quotes actually me, apart from the caps which are his replies):

Adol has an interesting perception on refund policies for someone who is supposed to work in the legal profession!

Why would you not just return the cartridge, undamaged? No need to tear the label off. No need to open it up (don't you have to damage the label to do that, anyway?)... that's just silly.

 

Dude, you're looking like a real asshole right now.

I thought you might have had some credibility at first, but you're a whack job.

Who gives a shit about the sticker? It's a BOOTLEG GAME - it has the value of parts.

Do you have any idea how hard it would be for Adol to make a legal case out of it?

Holy fuck, man.

 

To be honest, it would take an awful lot for me to get into a fit of rage where I'd loose all sense of logic and reason.

To me logically, to undo a transaction is to get both parties back the way things were. By ripping the label off a game it clearly removes any possibility of this happening as now one party is receiving something less than he originally had. If my goal was to get a refund, I probably wouldn't have done it regardless of how angry I was (at least until I confirmed a refund was not possible due to unreasonable terms).

 

If I bought a $600 game and it turned out to be a repro, I'd be super pissed. Doubt I'd damage it - but it's pretty much worthless anyway.

The sticker should be of no issue here at all. Dion should have never tried to scam Adol by sending him a conversion to begin with.

 

He/they were right in that they bought a conversion thinking it was not, however the issue is at the time of purchase is whether or not they were buying an official product and then ranted and raved it was unofficial. Sadly for Adol, the court case did not specify arcade only for Shock Troopers which in effect may have given Dion/NGF blanket rights.

I know, but there comes a point when you have to drop it, grow up and move on.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Also, given as it has been what, 14 years? Clearly the tactic hasn't worked nor will it ever on him. You should have had more plays in your bag of tricks or just done the reasonable thing from the start. Trying to break Dion/NGF has made you look bad too and probably given him grounds to press criminal charges.

Just as a FYI I dropped my issue with DonnyK in under a year = none of this 14 year crap. He is more than welcome back. I've had bad trades with people too such as a few things being damaged and slow to ship - I do not hide these facts, but people still trade with me nor do they badmouth me for several years.

Dion may have issues, but as far as I can tell he isn't the only one. The only normal function, after all, is to have some form of dysfunction and TonK seems just as Histrionic.

 

Goddammit, it´s a photocopy.

If someone sends you a 600 dollars CDr, who cares if you break it, burn it, whatever... It costs cents to replace it anyway.

Forget about face value, the label doesn´t have it. It´s fake. I can print a brand new one today.

and you all are forgetting about Dion scammed Adol in the first place and used the torn label excuse to keep the money.

So Adol torn a photocopy, Dion scammed 600.

Whats the bigger issue at hand?

@LeGIt

It´s clear that you don´t have any long term interest in the scene. You just prove yourself right without any interest in the outcome.

Do you even have a neo geo?

You ever even posted in this subforum prior to Dion arrival.

You should vouch for Dion´s deals with your money. You will only be mad about it for a year anyway. By 2013 it will all be fine. :thumbsup:

 

No, but it bears no relevance to the facts of the case. Do you think a court judge or jury would be allowed to comment if they give a shit? That is seen as being partial thus corruptable and as such unnacceptable. Having no side allowed me to make an informed and unbiased decision.

I did play Metal Slug on an MVS at an arcade shop as a kid, maybe other titles too. The only reason it is unlikely I'll be taking part in other discussions over there is because of the chuckleheads and their behaviour. I do however hope my presence there will have forced the site and its members to change, hopefully for the better.

Not as far as I know no, because I have only ever had a passing interest in the system. Dion's arrival made me take a second look and as such I contemplated purchasing a Neo Geo CD-Z. Why go for a CD-Z? CD's are cheaper than carts, it loads faster than the other CD models and it looks incredibly sexy to boot.

I'm quite content to trade with Dion, but there are two issues. The first of which is he needs to have something of interest for me which he is prepared to sell. Secondly, I need to be able to afford it.

Oh and to NG in general badgering Dion/NGF for proto pics or proof is lame. I've owned several unreleased games and dozens of betas. You don't get all that prove it crap here. I was a hoarder too but I did still throw the dog a bone when asked for some things, but the requests did get quite annoying. I'm a lot more liberal with sharing now as the file downloads section will prove, but it took me getting brain damage to think giving away something for nothing was a good idea so take from that what you will.

I'm currently doing several projects for other board members here, there are dozens of prototypes in my posssession. I've also owned a dozen unreleased games and I don't even get half of the shit Dion/NGF do. Granted I didn't defraud anyone, but that doesn't excuse peoples behaviour as he does not owe anyone proof of ownership of some shitty pinball game, or anything at all for that matter. TonK should just accept Dion's offer, fly out there, be filmed playing it and share his findings and drop the matter. If he is unable or unwilling to do so, despite stating I feel Dion is histrionic I'm quite content to meet him and see the game for you.

Oh and check out the pic. The titles are concealed as the prototypes are not mine as my collection was sold, but keep your eyes on the downloads section as more bananabreak releases will be posted in due course. Granted you could say this proves nothing, but when I throw a dog a bone I don't want to know if it tastes bad or not.